Lincecum got beat up again, allowing four runs in the first two innings for the second game in the row. Baggardly got an interview after the game:
…. “That first inning (when he struck out three) was probably the biggest positive I can take from today. It was probably the best inning I’ve thrown in the last few outings actually. I’ve just gotta get back to that and replicate it.”
On going back to his previous windup:
“That wasn’t really a factor other than wrapping your head around doing too many things to fix things. That’s what I’ve been doing the last few outings. It’s getting back to simplifying things and trying to be as optimistic as possible.”
“I’ve become a big thinker. That’s just the way I am. Brain never stops working. You start focusing on the wrong things, or the negatives and they start to manifest and build up on each other.
“I can’t keep searching. I’ve just gotta go out and pitch.”
On whether his rough linescore was a result of bad luck or bad pitches:
“I missed my spots here and there. There were a few bloops, but hits are hits and a loss is a loss. So at the end of the day that’s the way I have to look at it, and get better from here.”
On whether his confidence is shaken:
“Yeah, it can be. You get frustrated when things don’t go your way. You just gotta come to the field every day working with a purpose until it comes back and that’s what I’m trying to get to.”
On what he’ll work on before his next start:
“I want to throw strikes, quality strikes, where I want to throw them. The fastball is kind of all over the place right now. But just hitting that down and away fastball. That’s what I’ve got to get back. I just gotta simplify and do what I’ve got to do.”
On the expectations heaped upon him as the staff ace:
“I just talked to Rags about that. I guess any pitcher in his career, they’ve gone through struggles. This is going to be a learning experience for me, put things in perspective and just build from it. That’s what I’ve got to do.”
On Saturday, the NY Times had a piece on the Padres series, and featured a little Lincecum talk:
…. He has had a weird season, making the All-Star team by vote of the players, who ignored a four-start slump in which he issued 20 walks. Lincecum has been better lately, but he lasts only four innings this time in an 8-6 defeat. His earned run average swells to 3.41, about a run higher than it was last season, and he will not win a third consecutive Cy Young Award.
“Timmy will bounce back,” Bruce Bochy says. “We have a lot of faith in this kid.”
But Lincecum is at a loss. There are many moving parts in his funky delivery, and when flaws crop up, he says, he wants to fix them on his own. His father taught him his mechanics, and Lincecum says maybe he can spot something.
“I’ve been doing this motion long enough where I want it to become second nature,” Lincecum says. “I don’t want to think about how I throw it; I just throw it. I want to get back to that.”
It’s all well and good to figure things out for yourself, but there’s a reason why teams employ coaches. It’s to help players work through the inevitable slumps, league adjustments and recovering from injuries and setbacks. Since Righetti obviously cannot help him, he has to get help from his Dad. The time for working it out on his own is over. His last two starts were, quite frankly, disastrous. In fact, since his outrageous first eight games, his seaosn has been awful. Inconsistent, mediocre, awful.
That the Giants are contending as two of their best young players look completely lost is remarkable. But this cannot continue. Sandoval is watching batting practice fastballs and swinging at curveballs in the dirt. And now Lincecum can’t get out the fourth inning.
The time for self-correction has passed. The season is at risk. Call your Dad, Tim. Call his Dad, Brian.
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I, for one, will not complain if the Giants continue in this manner for the rest of the season. I might even climb out of my oven and shut off the gas.
This team is erratic and they are hodge podge. But it has looked like a good hodge podge for TWO DAYS.
If Rowand ever gets another start I know a guy, who knows a guy, and we could pool our money.
Forgive me if I am not overly enthused.
Frankly, the ridiculous amount of offense was overshadowed by Jonathan Sanchez’ complete horseshit pitching performance. Mistake pitch after mistake pitch. I used to have high hopes and high expectations for him, but I am fairly well convinced that after portions of 5 seasons, 148 games and almost 600 innings that he is little more than an Oliver Perez…a 100 dollar arm and 50 cent head.
To be successful in MLB, consistency above all other traits is required of a pitcher, particularly a starting pitcher. Sanchez is still making the same horrible location mistakes I would expect out of a guy in his second or third year, not his fifth. Too much white noise in his skull. He is never going to reach the dependability level of a post season pitcher, and as a result, he is entirely available.
Just because he has great stuff doesn’t mean he is ever going to amount to shit. Last night’s performance was a disgrace, and for no goddamn reason at all, he forced the Giants to go deep into their pen again because he decided to pitch like a jack ass, lasting one out into the 5th inning with a 5 run lead. On the other hand, I don’t know what else to expect from a guy who uses up his 100 pitches by the 6th inning every time he goes out there. Guy has only gone into the 7th inning 3 times since June. Couple that with Zito’s gutless style, and Lincecum’s meltdowns and you the answer to why the Giants were carrying 13 pitchers at one point.
Blah this team.
hey, at least he was better than madbaum
today, the giants only having 6 arms in the pen bit them hard, as madbaum had nothing and couldnt get out of the 3rd
despite the best comeback in years, the team didnt have enough arms to get past the 11th…and sent zito up as a sacrificial lamb
i think they shoulda sent posey to the mound and let whiteside catch
as for durty…i love the kid, but the coaching staff has no clue on how to keep him focused….so he needs to go where someone is able to work with him
He was out. He lost the ball after the tag, showing it to the umpire, it came loose. Kill the bum.
That was a lot of fun to watch them come back. Even though it was lost, it was a good game.
Don’t worry about Sanchez. All lefties are de facto a little off. It’s a tradition.
And it wasn’t the arms, it was Sandoval’s airmailing the ball into the stands that sent the game into extra innings.
That is what cost the Giants the game.
Robert,
You’re right dude…in fact it was.
Bumgarner, if he stays healthy, is going to be good. Because unlike Sanchez he uses his head, and unlike the other lefty who shall remain unnamed, he has a set and with experience I think he can be a dominant pitcher. Because he’s a big guy who can throw strikes and appears tough enough to just bull his way through tough times.
Apparently he has what Stephen Strasburg doesn’t. Contempt for fear of failing.
What he has that Strasburg doesn’t is a sound ulnar collateral ligament.
What I just read…. I stand corrected. The sick part is this kid may never come back. The good news is Tommy John surgery ligament transplant is fairly routine….it just sets him back 2 years from peak. Meaning he’ll be 24 when he comes back…the average age of the typical MLB rookie
this team is schizophrenic
and im so glad that the doofus one still has the rule of 7
and the durty one makes me crazye
so tomorrow they go for the sweep with the rook on the mound
the one big positive about the ross pickup is, looks like rowand will never get another start on this squad
Never underestimate the power of Bochy’s blockheadedness. In his world, stupidly blind false hustle and undying allegiance to over the hilledness, trumps performance, both measurable and observational.
I have it on good authority that Bochy has been begging Sabean to sign Vinnie Castillo and Ted Williams head for the stretch run
Hey, the Splendid Splinter may not have a body, but he’s still got his batting eye.
Unc Joe and +mia,
With Ross on board…finally the end of Rowand. Not even Bochy can screw this up. Basically Ross plays anywhere in the of…has speed, a cannon, is a 4-5 tool player. Rowand is now only a late inning ph…or addition in blow outs. There is hope.
If Pablo stays hot…anything is possible. I like our line-up.
The Gigantes are definitely a paradox.
The place will play small today….going for sweep.
Stay hot Gigantes
Not even Bochy can screw this up. – ScottS
Never underestimate the power of Bochy’s blockheadedness. – +mia
The time for self-correction has passed. The season is at risk. – John P.
even if this team were able to sneak into the playoffs, it would be one series and out – uncle joe mccarthy
If I were to make a graph, these are the points I would chose.
The shape of the graph would look like a cup turned upside down, where the Y axis is hope, and the X axis is the season.
Numbers and graphs.
Damn it.
…they were until Zito managed to shit the bed twice in 4 days.
No doubt about it. He is a fucking jinx.
Besides being a complete tool. Guy is as big as a fucking NFL tight end and throws like Lady Gaga on ludes.
Yeah. Sandavol threw the ball away in the 11th between bites on his eggroll, but thats a shit happens thing…one chance . A pitchers has multiple chances per batter and Zito as always choked his way into another fucking loss.
A FUCKING JINX! GO AWAY ASSHOLE!
+mia,
Spot On. This game perfectly describes(or should I say defines) Zito’s legacy with the Gigantes….this game alone will come back to forever haunt us. We need at least one shut down inning form our veteran…but no…Zito lets the team down.
Even after Uribe makes an unbelievable play to keep it tied…you’re thinking…Zito cant give this away now. Leave it to Zito to find a way. In the dictionary under Choke Artist…is a picture of Zito.
He does need to go away.
I like this line-up…and Zito not withstanding…this was an amazing come back….a great team performance.
Yes it was. Juan Uribe has not many tools, but damn he just has a propensity for center fucking stage when he gets the opportunity to display them. He does not lack for confidence. Ever.
Like we all know, booted balls and errant throws happen. All the time. Hell Rolen booted a couple himself and nobody in the world is going to call Scott Rolen out for that, other than it was just one of those things… that IS baseball. But when you get multiple opportunities to pick up your teammates, whether its simply just going deep into a game to save the pen, or deep into a single fucking inning to save a win, all within the span of days and the only guy in MLB making as much as you is Bud Selig, and you consistently, predictably and without fucking fail wilt like a dead petunia, you need to hit the fucking bricks motherfucker.
He is a fucking jinx and the Giants need to send him to the AL and pick up whatever salary his new team doesn’t, and maybe get a couple of prospects back. There wouldn’t be any fucking salary relief, but maybe they get a couple of future utility guys or good organizational minor leaguers out of it, but mainly they get rid of this fucking jinx.
Supposedly the Giants are trying to sell the bullshit that this is a win or bust season.
You know how many games the Giants have won with Zito on the mound since May 5th over 100 games ago?
As the Number two in the rotation starter?
Three. Three games he has been on the mound to hold opponents to fewer runs than the Giants.
May 16th vs Astros
June 12th vs A’s
July 16th vs Mets.
The Giants have played 37 games since July 16th. They were 49-41, 4 games back in the loss column, after Zito beat the Mets. Since then they have won 22 games and dropped 16. Zito has been on the bump to collect exactly 0 wins during that time. Nada. Not one fucking winning decision in six weeks. And during that time he has collected exactly 5 losses and 3 fucking no decisions, and three of those losses have come in the past 9 days. And the Giants are 7 games back in the loss column with 34 games left in the season.
He is 0 for 8 in the supposed stretch run…the moral authority and post-season experienced guy who is supposed to lead the way??.
Fucker hasn’t had a significant clutch-ass performance since the LDS in 2006…That’s it. Four post seasons ago. I can’t fucking take 3 three more years of this worm.
+mia,
Amen. Supposedly you know what you’re going to get from a veteran player…proven consistency. Unfortunately the Gigantes upper Mgmt is still trying to justify the Zito deal….and he is consistently sub par…if not down right pathetic. He has definitely lost his confidence(what little was left)…and should only a spot starter for the remainder of the season. We all know this will never happen.
He is worse than a jinx…because as a staff veteran is is suppose to be leading by example…and he severely lacks mental toughness. Just continues to fold under pressure…and it wouldn’t hurt for him to show some fucking emotion once in a while…like I care more about my performance nmore than how I look and act. Disgusting.
The Zito situation(both contract and onfield performance) is a continuing bad nightmare…like groundhog day…over and over again.
Keep the faith dude…we can still take the Wild Card…and in a short series…Zito will not take the mound.
Do not think we will have to stomach three more years.
I am an optimist.
Time to sweep the d-bags and Rocks….and head out of town on a 5 game streak…
Still ours to lose.
The best part of Monday’s game was the 111 pitches taken out of the arms of the Reds’ bullpen; a bullpen which is vulnerable when it is healthy and rested. A bullpen which is currently depleted.
Tonight the Giants face Travis Wood, a left-handed rookie with good control. Wood throws a lot of first pitch strikes. A lot. Dusty Baker has been careful with Wood, limiting his pitch count.
If the free swingers in the Giants lineup can contain themselves, it would behoove them to make Wood throw lots and lots of pitches. Wood is hard to score against, having racked up an ERA of 2.51, 46/15 K/BB ratio in his nine major league starts. Getting past him and into the Reds’ bullpen seems the logical move.
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ya….that lasted all of 3 innings
then he gave up a dinger to winn…..WINN??????
and in the 5th….imploded
without ace timmy this team is going nowhere…simple as that
A lot of balls got through the left side of the infield, which seemed even more porous than usual. SS & 3B made up for this by going a combined 1-8. (Fontenot.)
Burrell is not the fastest outfielder in the world. He has had some problems picking the ball up off the ground when it goes into the corner. He absolutely kicked it or stepped on it the other night, and last night he chased it around for a while.
Posey had a little throwing error (officially) or Sanchez had a catching error (could have gone either way) that allowed Pujols to advance to third and eventually score. Lincecum still has problems holding runners.
Honestly, you can question the pitching, Lincecum threw 91 pitches, 63 strikes, but scoring one run is not enough against the Cardinals who are 40-23 at home. Giants left 9 men on base – that’s a core problem they’ve had all year, and the defense was not good.
If the Giants do not win today they are going to be tied for second place with the Cardinals in the WC standings. With Zito on the mound against Garcia the Giants had better bring the lumber or we may be seeing the end of their playoff hopes. The white hot Reds are coming to town tomorrow.
Always good to see the $126 Million man muscle up for the good guys and cap a turn around road trip. Heh. 5 earnies in 3.2 innings. Way to be the stopper there Zito.
Love these sig signings of Sabean over the past couple of years.
Zito
Rowand
Renteria
DeRosa
Sanchez
Molina
If not for the surprising castaways Uribe, Burrell and Huff, Sabean would be 0 for 10 on his F/A signings. Just pathetic. Unexcusable. Mind-boggling that a guy can spend so much of somebody else’s money, yet still have so many vocal supporters, defenders and apologists in the media. Stunning incompetence matched only by Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Kansas City.
i wont get angry until after the season, when the powers that be tell us again why they wont fire sabean or bochy
rowand is a waste of space…why is he still getting starts?
that gamer label was a farce from the start
rather watch nate be pathetic from the plate
as for zito…guess he chose the half to be good to be the first half this season
and truly love how bochy’s ability to manage an sp and pen has worked out really well for this org
sabean….the master of the dumpster dive still cant judge frontline talent
and who wants to be that since the team will remain in the wc chase till the final week, that is what they will trumpet all offseason
im getting too old to really care anymore….and im very sad about that
while i’ve heard father knows best, maybe what tim needs is a few sessions with mike krukow
he sure looks smooth early against the cards (saturday night) (afternoon back in the bay)
oh….and the last sp to win a game….did it again
when the durty leaves this mortal coil, i hope he gives his brain to science, cuz for the life of me, i cant figure him out
he has the nastiest stuff on the team….but at times seems to chose not to concentrate on the mound
I wonder if he’s still getting used to the motion he used after he was demoted to the bullpen last season. IIRC, Randy Johnson got him more compact, and Sanchez really took off after that, but who knows, he might be struggling with his mechanics.
Baseball is hard. Pitching is hard. Its got a million moving parts. It takes a young guy a long time to be able to throw 80 percent perfect pitches. Those are the special ones.
so the rocket gets indicted for lying to congress
so happy that our elected officials are keeping us safe from the likes of bonds and clemens
they never shouldve held hearing in the first place
BTW: The comment about the Giants trainers responses came from Schulman himself on the AM show on KNBR.
Since this is a Lincecum thread, this tidbit will be of interest. Schulman interviewed Oswalt yesterday and asked, “with pitchers of your physique, how do you maintain stamina over a season?”. Oswalt replied,”If he’s not hurt, it’s all about conditioning,” said Oswalt, who was aware of the dip in Lincecum’s velocity. “He’s not going to lose that much (otherwise) at a young age, I don’t think.”
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The killer?
Schulman talked to the Giants trainers, who rolled their eyes and asked Schulman, “Please get Timmy and tell him what Oswalt said, he is not listening to us”. This is an issue that is clearly well known to the Giants management and coaches.
Timmy and Sandoval are each not doing themselves a favor by their lack of commitment to physical conditioning.
I made a wacky suggestion in mid July that the Giants would do well to have each pitcher skip one start a month, to maintain their stamina. It seems it is particularly apopro now with Lincecum, he needs to get a week off, now, and again in mid september or he is going to sink, along with the Giants.
the season is pretty much over
even if this team were able to sneak into the playoffs, it would be one series and out
now we all can go back to screaming for bochy and sabean’s heads
If you are being paid four hundred sixty five thousand dollars a year to do your job then hey. It’s not super star money, but it’s about nine grand a week. Plus meal money.
Concentrate.
Somebody has to say it. Pablo Sandoval, although he is a Catholic, is getting divorced. Or something very like it. His recent trip home for “personal reasons” fucking get a clue.
He is also getting fatter by the minute. His weight is affecting his ability to preform.
That’s his business, and I wouldn’t care if he could play baseball, but he hasn’t shown any aptitude for that recently. He has no range. And it’s getting worse. He can’t go to his left at all.
His priorities are all fucked up and I feel sorry for him but seriously when you are paid like he is you have to get your shit together.
I have to laugh – Timmy’s hair is the problem?
Righetti is terrible. Always has been. I don’t care how funky Lincecum’s mechanics might be, it’s the pitching coach’s job to understand them. Same with Sanchez – STILL not where people expected him to be.
Wouldn’t hurt to have Lincecum miss a start and spend it working with his dad. Rags seems incapable. It’s incomprehensible to me – here’s your ace, getting paid zillions, with mechanical issues that certainly could lead to an arm injury, and nobody can figure it out?
And yeah, Panda is way too big. Just doesn’t work with a free swinger.
not the hair…the attitude
which isnt the same as it has been the past 2 seasons
that killer instinct is gone
the hair is a symptom
Maybe Randy Johnson would like a job as a pitching coach. It wouldn’t hurt to ask.
Giants would have been better off with Correia on the mound than Zito last night
well
the giants are about to fall 5 games out of first and have fallen to second in the wc chase
zito only lasted 5 and the pen collapsed
not that it mattered
because that fa signing of freddie sux so much..he didnt play and posey is still in the 2 spot
we may be rid of bochy and sabean after all
Six games back in the loss column. That’s the one that counts. The Giants have played two more games then the Padres.
Despite all the bullshit propaganda, this team is on pace to win the same number of games as last year and score barely 700 runs. The only difference, is they piled all their good games into July. Other than that, they are slightly below average.
The USS Caine continues its 5 year foundering under Capt Sabean Queeg–who continues to search for his missing strawberries in a pile of old baseball cards.
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rip bobby thomson
i will not be bitchin today
bobby thompson has passed on
hes stealing signs off of god today
rip to one of the greatest giants in history
Amen. Here’s a toast to a great Giant…RIP Bobby.
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Giants lose again to a team with a winning record. Of all the contenders for post-season spot, the Giants have the worst record against winning teams. It appears the end is near, but we will see.
Bobby Thomson joins the baseball dieties in a far far better place
But to me, the game has always been about real life. The games, the standings, the seasons come and go, but the real band plays on for real.
For me the game has always been about the guys who play this game.
Not the stooges in the front office who treat players like chattel and fans like PT Parnum’s suckers.
Not like Temporary Commissioner for life Hubert “Frozen Custard” I’ll-pay-myself-$18-Million-per-year” to oversee the only canceled World Series in History Selig.
This game needs more Sister Edwins, Bobby Dews, Buster Poseys, John Perricones and Eric Neels
I think it’s not emo so much as grunge.
Still, it’s not professional looking.
None of us give a shit what he looks like as long as he can paint the corners.
His velocity and accuracy is down, so I will happily see him cut his hair, if it will help.
I don’t think it will.
I agree, let’s get his dad down here.
And if he doesn’t want it, he should shut up and do it. He needs help.
what is worse about pablo is, his weight is definitely affecting his d…he cant go to his left
the entire left side of the if is now a joke
love uribe, but he is an avg ss
cant win games with a porous if
and im sorry, but bochy, sabean and bowtie need to have a sitdown with the freak and demand he call pops…then send pops a ticket and have him work with the kid for the next week
and here are my overall thoughts on timmy
i get it…because of his great work ethic and focus on making the bigs, he denied himself his teen years….no other reason for going emo in ones 20s
but the prob is…emo is not a great place for a pitcher to be
i have no prob with pitchers having crazy hair…romo and wilson are sporting hawks
pitchers are supposed to be nuts…but emo isnt nuts…its self absorbed…and a pitcher cannot be self absorbed…he has to be a warrior
cant demand timmy get a haircut…but if i was him, i would shave it all off myself…dump the emo clothes…go all wild thing
Unc Joe,
Great Post. Agree with you…Shed the EMO look and attitude. Have his Dad be his personal study for the next month…and figure it out.
As for Sandoval…his weight is a major factor in everything. He has eaten himself into the worst 3rd baseman in baseball…and can no longer field the position. Must be platooned, or at 1b/bench remainder of season. Downright liability at 3rd. And his blowing bubbles routine must go…along with about 30-40 pounds. His play in the field is a complete joke….and that’s to the balls he at least gets to.
Next 8 games will tell us if we are conternders…or pretenders.
If you throw a thousand coins up into the air some will come up “heads”.
I’m so pissed off I don’t even want to post.
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