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		<title>By: Uncle Joe Mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe Mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok

the 4 teams with the largest payrolls in the mlb are in the playoffs

the weather in the east is not fit for man, beast nor baseball

what else would you like commented on?</description>
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<p>the 4 teams with the largest payrolls in the mlb are in the playoffs</p>
<p>the weather in the east is not fit for man, beast nor baseball</p>
<p>what else would you like commented on?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Joe Mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe Mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont think martin read carney&#039;s comments before he wrote his blog piece

at least carney was under the impression that the team was looking to get into the playoffs...not rebuilding

a rebuilding team doesnt fire its hitting coach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont think martin read carney&#8217;s comments before he wrote his blog piece</p>
<p>at least carney was under the impression that the team was looking to get into the playoffs&#8230;not rebuilding</p>
<p>a rebuilding team doesnt fire its hitting coach</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I appreciate the Giants&#039; analysis, that&#039;s getting a little much.  Any chance we could hear some commentary on the playoffs?  John?  +mia?  As Giant fans, we&#039;re also baseball fans, and it&#039;s that time of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I appreciate the Giants&#8217; analysis, that&#8217;s getting a little much.  Any chance we could hear some commentary on the playoffs?  John?  +mia?  As Giant fans, we&#8217;re also baseball fans, and it&#8217;s that time of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn.</description>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno if you read the Extra Baggs entry about Lansford, but it speaks volumes to the Giants organization.  Just read some of these quotes:

&quot;Well, he didn’t return my call last night, but there was a very good reason. He was burying his father-in-law.

“I’d gotten the call from Boch two hours before the service,” Lansford said. “Heck of a day.”&quot;


&quot;“There’s two things I learned,” he said. “Never take a job for sentimental reasons and never take a hitting coach job with an offensively challenged team.”&quot;


&quot;“Well, obviously it’s not a shock, not a surprise. The reason we didn’t win is we weren’t good enough offensively. You certainly can’t blame the pitching. I wish I had more offense to work with, but I had what I had. I don’t know what I would’ve done differently. I did not work out. I wish the Giants nothing but the best. All I wanted to do is help them win a world championship.&quot;


&quot;That said, we were able to stay in the wild card hunt until the final week of the season. I’m really proud of that. We kept the fans interested and excited for six months.&quot;


&quot;“They were looking for a miracle worker. It didn’t happen. I wish with all my heart we had gotten to the postseason. I went to three World Series with the A’s and I tried to teach those guys everything we did to get there.&quot;


&quot;“My only comment on the situational hitting is the first thing I was told when I took the job is it was atrocious. Did we work on that? More than you’ll ever know. They just didn’t get it done. We had meetings, we talked about the thought process, we talked about what pitch to look for. I don’t know if anyone had to move more runners than I did, as much as I had to move Rickey (Henderson) all those years. But going out early and doing it against batting practice? Anybody can do that. It comes down to games, when guys are throwing 95 mph fastballs and curveballs when you don’t know they’re coming. You can emphasize the heck out of it, but at some point you just have to find a way to get it done.&quot;


&quot;“At some point, guys have to take responsibility for not doing that. That’s one thing I stressed to the guys – Step up and be responsible for yourself. Guys at the big league level, by the time they get there, should know how to do that stuff – move runners, get a guy home from third with less than two outs. If guys are learning that at the big league level, it’s too late. A major league player should not be as poor at it as we were in my two years. Do I take it personally? Of course I do. I know it cost us games. I’m a human being. I’m not a machine. But I’ll sleep good at night knowing I took my best shot.”&quot;

I don&#039;t think this needs any interpretation.  It just shows what a joke the Giants are.  Shawon Dunston is back, mind you, the guy who tells all our hitters they aren&#039;t aggressive enough at the plate gets to come back; the guy with the career line of .269/.296/.416 (yes, you read that right, .296 career OBP, worse than Bengie Molina) in his major league career is brought back to influence our hitters, but Carney Lansford (.290/.343/.411 career hiter) is the scapegoat and gets fired because he didn&#039;t teach out hitters how to execute situational hitting well enough.  Because that was the problem with the offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno if you read the Extra Baggs entry about Lansford, but it speaks volumes to the Giants organization.  Just read some of these quotes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, he didn’t return my call last night, but there was a very good reason. He was burying his father-in-law.</p>
<p>“I’d gotten the call from Boch two hours before the service,” Lansford said. “Heck of a day.”&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;“There’s two things I learned,” he said. “Never take a job for sentimental reasons and never take a hitting coach job with an offensively challenged team.”&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;“Well, obviously it’s not a shock, not a surprise. The reason we didn’t win is we weren’t good enough offensively. You certainly can’t blame the pitching. I wish I had more offense to work with, but I had what I had. I don’t know what I would’ve done differently. I did not work out. I wish the Giants nothing but the best. All I wanted to do is help them win a world championship.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That said, we were able to stay in the wild card hunt until the final week of the season. I’m really proud of that. We kept the fans interested and excited for six months.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;“They were looking for a miracle worker. It didn’t happen. I wish with all my heart we had gotten to the postseason. I went to three World Series with the A’s and I tried to teach those guys everything we did to get there.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;“My only comment on the situational hitting is the first thing I was told when I took the job is it was atrocious. Did we work on that? More than you’ll ever know. They just didn’t get it done. We had meetings, we talked about the thought process, we talked about what pitch to look for. I don’t know if anyone had to move more runners than I did, as much as I had to move Rickey (Henderson) all those years. But going out early and doing it against batting practice? Anybody can do that. It comes down to games, when guys are throwing 95 mph fastballs and curveballs when you don’t know they’re coming. You can emphasize the heck out of it, but at some point you just have to find a way to get it done.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;“At some point, guys have to take responsibility for not doing that. That’s one thing I stressed to the guys – Step up and be responsible for yourself. Guys at the big league level, by the time they get there, should know how to do that stuff – move runners, get a guy home from third with less than two outs. If guys are learning that at the big league level, it’s too late. A major league player should not be as poor at it as we were in my two years. Do I take it personally? Of course I do. I know it cost us games. I’m a human being. I’m not a machine. But I’ll sleep good at night knowing I took my best shot.”&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this needs any interpretation.  It just shows what a joke the Giants are.  Shawon Dunston is back, mind you, the guy who tells all our hitters they aren&#8217;t aggressive enough at the plate gets to come back; the guy with the career line of .269/.296/.416 (yes, you read that right, .296 career OBP, worse than Bengie Molina) in his major league career is brought back to influence our hitters, but Carney Lansford (.290/.343/.411 career hiter) is the scapegoat and gets fired because he didn&#8217;t teach out hitters how to execute situational hitting well enough.  Because that was the problem with the offense.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to throw some possible facts behind your point that Brian Sabean doesn&#039;t measure up to his peers - I had a conversation with someone over at McCoveyChronicles and he went through Brian Sabean&#039;s free agent signings to see how much value they gave us relative to how much money we gave them.  Using Fangraph&#039;s methodology, we know FA&#039;s should get about $4.5-5M per win of value they provide.  Supposedly, without even counting Barry Zito, Brian Sabean has collectively paid an average of over $7M per win on the free agent market.  That&#039;s failure, plain and simple.  It&#039;s not surprising since Sabean still acquires guys like Rowand/Sanchez who&#039;s offensive value is substantially less than the BS adjectives like &quot;Gamer&quot;, &quot;2 time All-Star&quot;, and &quot;run producer&quot; make it sound.  The truth is when it comes to assembling a Major Leaguer Roster, Brian Sabean is a failure.  

I understand giving someone a chance - small sample sizes can and will often distort how good or bad of a job someone is doing if you only give them a couple years.  Brian Sabean is the longest tenured GM in baseball.  He&#039;s proved over and over that he is incompetent.  I was more hopeful than others here at the beginning of the season that Sabean had learned from past mistakes and improved as a GM.  To put it flatly - I was wrong then.  It&#039;s abundantly clear he has not.  He continues to make the same mistakes we&#039;ve seen before, and will continue to do so in the future.  The fact that we extended Sabean is a joke.  This franchise doesn&#039;t care about winning the World Series, if it did, Brian Sabean would be gone.  This franchise cares about filling the stadium, and in that regard, Sabean is fairly successful.  That&#039;s not a franchise I want to root for, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to throw some possible facts behind your point that Brian Sabean doesn&#8217;t measure up to his peers &#8211; I had a conversation with someone over at McCoveyChronicles and he went through Brian Sabean&#8217;s free agent signings to see how much value they gave us relative to how much money we gave them.  Using Fangraph&#8217;s methodology, we know FA&#8217;s should get about $4.5-5M per win of value they provide.  Supposedly, without even counting Barry Zito, Brian Sabean has collectively paid an average of over $7M per win on the free agent market.  That&#8217;s failure, plain and simple.  It&#8217;s not surprising since Sabean still acquires guys like Rowand/Sanchez who&#8217;s offensive value is substantially less than the BS adjectives like &#8220;Gamer&#8221;, &#8220;2 time All-Star&#8221;, and &#8220;run producer&#8221; make it sound.  The truth is when it comes to assembling a Major Leaguer Roster, Brian Sabean is a failure.  </p>
<p>I understand giving someone a chance &#8211; small sample sizes can and will often distort how good or bad of a job someone is doing if you only give them a couple years.  Brian Sabean is the longest tenured GM in baseball.  He&#8217;s proved over and over that he is incompetent.  I was more hopeful than others here at the beginning of the season that Sabean had learned from past mistakes and improved as a GM.  To put it flatly &#8211; I was wrong then.  It&#8217;s abundantly clear he has not.  He continues to make the same mistakes we&#8217;ve seen before, and will continue to do so in the future.  The fact that we extended Sabean is a joke.  This franchise doesn&#8217;t care about winning the World Series, if it did, Brian Sabean would be gone.  This franchise cares about filling the stadium, and in that regard, Sabean is fairly successful.  That&#8217;s not a franchise I want to root for, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not posted here in quite a long time, though I continue to enjoy reading both John&#039;s commentaries and the comments of others. Even when I may disagree. There was a time when I thought John and others were too hard on Sabean (partly because there are not a lot of great genius replacements out there, so might as well stay with a half-good GM). But I eventually became convinced that Sabean had to go. John is exactly right. We had a legit chance not only to get into the playoffs, but to advance all the way with our pitching. Not that it would happen, but we had the chance. But Sabean made awful, terrible trades for players who helped not at all.  I don&#039;t know how we&#039;ll get close again under this regime. I come up with my family to see a couple of games every summer (from the central coast) and I was really excited that the Giants stayed in contention, but that is simply not enough to keep me satisfied. I need my team to win a World Series every 15 years or so (which is not THAT much to ask, is it?). And this franchise, despite the many wonderful players it has had, has failed to win even one series in its entire SF existence.

PS: +mia continues to be a profane joy. A couple/three of years ago we got into a little scrap here and I was ready to find him and slap the shit out of him (metaphorically speaking, I think). He actually emailed me and made peace and I respected that. I understood afterward that he&#039;s being colorful because it&#039;s more fun for him (and others too).  Anyway, I&#039;ll miss the commentaries focused on the Giants but I understand the soul-incinerating exasperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not posted here in quite a long time, though I continue to enjoy reading both John&#8217;s commentaries and the comments of others. Even when I may disagree. There was a time when I thought John and others were too hard on Sabean (partly because there are not a lot of great genius replacements out there, so might as well stay with a half-good GM). But I eventually became convinced that Sabean had to go. John is exactly right. We had a legit chance not only to get into the playoffs, but to advance all the way with our pitching. Not that it would happen, but we had the chance. But Sabean made awful, terrible trades for players who helped not at all.  I don&#8217;t know how we&#8217;ll get close again under this regime. I come up with my family to see a couple of games every summer (from the central coast) and I was really excited that the Giants stayed in contention, but that is simply not enough to keep me satisfied. I need my team to win a World Series every 15 years or so (which is not THAT much to ask, is it?). And this franchise, despite the many wonderful players it has had, has failed to win even one series in its entire SF existence.</p>
<p>PS: +mia continues to be a profane joy. A couple/three of years ago we got into a little scrap here and I was ready to find him and slap the shit out of him (metaphorically speaking, I think). He actually emailed me and made peace and I respected that. I understood afterward that he&#8217;s being colorful because it&#8217;s more fun for him (and others too).  Anyway, I&#8217;ll miss the commentaries focused on the Giants but I understand the soul-incinerating exasperation.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the Giants fired Lansford.  He insisted upon accountability and performance and results.  Those three things are not real big in the &quot;Giants Way&quot; of doing things.  The three things the Giants were really big about as defined by Savvy, Grit, and Chemistry, Things like:

Brain dead hacking at slop nightly,
Trying to hit 8 run homers with nobody on base, 
Pretending to be switch hitters, 
Stepping backwards before running to first base.
Stupid baserunning, 
Napping in the outfield,
Wonderbread bats instead of Wonderboy
Being robotic company yes men
Whining about not being respected
Avoiding walks at all cost
Refusing to work counts
Making thee outs on 7 pitches.
Making Cy Young Candidates out of spot starters and mop up relievers.

Yup. How dare Lansford demand accountabilty for doing things the &quot;Giants Way&quot;. Just no chemistry at all.  Damn Lansford had no concept of Aaron Rowand&#039;s grit and Randy Winn&#039;s savvy, and Bengie Molina&#039;s pitch recognition. None whatsoever. 

Whew. Now that he&#039;s gone, I for sure see a pennant in the Giants future.  Replacing Carney Lansford was the last piece in the puzzle. I bet right now that SBGGlobal has the Giants as the winter favorites to win the NL right fucking now.  Got to hand it to the Giants Front Office, they sure know how to make a positive statement.  Phone the one guy who actually knew what he was doing just as he is preparing to take his wife to her father&#039;s funeral and tell him: 

&quot;Thanks for coming, we won&#039;t be back in touch&quot;.

Pure corporate class and style.  

So for all you fucking pussies who like being the destination sphincter of choice for Neukom, Baer, and Sabean&#039;s fantasies, enjoy the reaming, because it just doesn&#039;t get any better than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the Giants fired Lansford.  He insisted upon accountability and performance and results.  Those three things are not real big in the &#8220;Giants Way&#8221; of doing things.  The three things the Giants were really big about as defined by Savvy, Grit, and Chemistry, Things like:</p>
<p>Brain dead hacking at slop nightly,<br />
Trying to hit 8 run homers with nobody on base,<br />
Pretending to be switch hitters,<br />
Stepping backwards before running to first base.<br />
Stupid baserunning,<br />
Napping in the outfield,<br />
Wonderbread bats instead of Wonderboy<br />
Being robotic company yes men<br />
Whining about not being respected<br />
Avoiding walks at all cost<br />
Refusing to work counts<br />
Making thee outs on 7 pitches.<br />
Making Cy Young Candidates out of spot starters and mop up relievers.</p>
<p>Yup. How dare Lansford demand accountabilty for doing things the &#8220;Giants Way&#8221;. Just no chemistry at all.  Damn Lansford had no concept of Aaron Rowand&#8217;s grit and Randy Winn&#8217;s savvy, and Bengie Molina&#8217;s pitch recognition. None whatsoever. </p>
<p>Whew. Now that he&#8217;s gone, I for sure see a pennant in the Giants future.  Replacing Carney Lansford was the last piece in the puzzle. I bet right now that SBGGlobal has the Giants as the winter favorites to win the NL right fucking now.  Got to hand it to the Giants Front Office, they sure know how to make a positive statement.  Phone the one guy who actually knew what he was doing just as he is preparing to take his wife to her father&#8217;s funeral and tell him: </p>
<p>&#8220;Thanks for coming, we won&#8217;t be back in touch&#8221;.</p>
<p>Pure corporate class and style.  </p>
<p>So for all you fucking pussies who like being the destination sphincter of choice for Neukom, Baer, and Sabean&#8217;s fantasies, enjoy the reaming, because it just doesn&#8217;t get any better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to worry dickbreath, you will never be like me. Unlike management peterpumpers such as yourself, I and the regulars around here can actually count to one without using our fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to worry dickbreath, you will never be like me. Unlike management peterpumpers such as yourself, I and the regulars around here can actually count to one without using our fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Grant is an entirely difference Giants blogger who runs McCovey Chronicles.</description>
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