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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent a letter to The Numero Uno. &lt;a href=&quot;http://raisingmattcain.blogspot.com/2009/10/signed-sealed-delivered.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s here.&lt;/a&gt; If he writes back, I&#039;ll post it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent a letter to The Numero Uno. <a href="http://raisingmattcain.blogspot.com/2009/10/signed-sealed-delivered.html" rel="nofollow">It&#8217;s here.</a> If he writes back, I&#8217;ll post it.</p>
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		<title>By: ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.  Too much bile.  It&#039;s boring.  Not to mention insane.  Sabean is right about one thing at least: you are the lunatic fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.  Too much bile.  It&#8217;s boring.  Not to mention insane.  Sabean is right about one thing at least: you are the lunatic fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with El.</description>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it is your volgorness that is &quot;unfresh, stale, propaganda&quot;.  Yawn!  What a bore you are.</description>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did we make the playoffs?  No.  We were lucky to win 88 games - we should have been closer to a .500 team.  What is this team going to do to become a playoff team?  Under Sabean, the answer is unfortunately, that&#039;s not the goal.  Competing for the wild card, staying &quot;in this thing&quot; all season long - that&#039;s the goal.  I&#039;m sorry, but that&#039;s not how you win a WS.  I can see why a fan would jump off the sinking ship at this point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did we make the playoffs?  No.  We were lucky to win 88 games &#8211; we should have been closer to a .500 team.  What is this team going to do to become a playoff team?  Under Sabean, the answer is unfortunately, that&#8217;s not the goal.  Competing for the wild card, staying &#8220;in this thing&#8221; all season long &#8211; that&#8217;s the goal.  I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s not how you win a WS.  I can see why a fan would jump off the sinking ship at this point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are beyond a kool aid drinker. You&#039;re a fucking delusional sycophant who doesn&#039;t know shit about baseball or any other fucking thing except what you spoon feed yourself from Giants press releases and other fan blogs.  

Just because you cant fucking bring yourself to acknowledge that your fanboyitis has been misplaced with this bunch of corporated dicksucking pricks who have brought the Bay Area some of the worst fucking offensive baseball this side of the Seattle Pilots, for 5 years running doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m interested in reading your spooge. 

You remind me of the little fucking shitballs in high school running around campaigning for detention room  monitor.  But mainly, your shit is unfresh, stale, propaganda that you and the other idiot savant, rainman keep regurgitating through blogs year in and year out.  We know where to find your shit if we want to read it. John was kind enough to provide a link to it a couple of years ago.  That doesn&#039;t mean I or anybody else is interested in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are beyond a kool aid drinker. You&#8217;re a fucking delusional sycophant who doesn&#8217;t know shit about baseball or any other fucking thing except what you spoon feed yourself from Giants press releases and other fan blogs.  </p>
<p>Just because you cant fucking bring yourself to acknowledge that your fanboyitis has been misplaced with this bunch of corporated dicksucking pricks who have brought the Bay Area some of the worst fucking offensive baseball this side of the Seattle Pilots, for 5 years running doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m interested in reading your spooge. </p>
<p>You remind me of the little fucking shitballs in high school running around campaigning for detention room  monitor.  But mainly, your shit is unfresh, stale, propaganda that you and the other idiot savant, rainman keep regurgitating through blogs year in and year out.  We know where to find your shit if we want to read it. John was kind enough to provide a link to it a couple of years ago.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I or anybody else is interested in it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I disagree on a lot of your points.  Brian Sabean made minor changes to a team that he thought was good enough.  He added a fifth starter, a relief specialist, and a (worthless) shortstop to a team that scored 640 runs the previous year, because he thought he was fine-tuning a competitive club.  He absolutely said so several times before the season started, and then he acted accordingly.  You don&#039;t make those kinds of cosmetic, expensive additions to a rebuilding team, you just don&#039;t. You play Burriss, you save your money, and you go out and get younger.  Sabean was going for it, and his idea of going for it was absurd.

And as for your prediction tha the Giants would contend, &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; predicted way back in the beginning of the season, that if every single thing went right, a superstar season by Sandoval, and Zito bouncing back, and Lincecum not having a sophmore slump, and Cain having his best year ever, and every other possible break going their way, the Giants still weren&#039;t able to make the postseason.  It was my long-term view that was the correct one, not yours, Grant.  You missed the point of this season, just like Brian Sabean did.  The 88 wins were a mirage, a combination of good luck, timing, and the completely unseen event of our entire pitching staff shaving a full run off our ERA from the year before.

And what is this rebuilding thing you keep referring to?  Winn, Rowand, Molina, Ishikawa, Lewis, Renteria, these are all players that Sabean went out and got.  He paid handsomely for their services.  Rebuilding?  What is that?  He BUILT this team.

Alderson and Barnes had value, and Sabean transformed that value into more useless, league average players, who fit in exactly with the same league-average players he has been bringing here for going on seven years in a row.  If the Giants are rebuilding, it&#039;s because of Sabean&#039;s failure.  Let&#039;s not forget his decision to forgo draft choices several years back; just one more of the ridiculous ways he has hamstrung his own team.

As for the draft being a crapshoot, well, sure it is, but what&#039;s that got to with anything?  Forget about the draft.  Sabean doesn&#039;t know what makes an offense go.  He doesn&#039;t know how to build an offense.  If you value the wrong traits in a player, then it doesn&#039;t matter what you do, because you will fail.  Brian Sabean values steady, veteran, experienced, high batting average gamers.  These players have a place in the game, you just can&#039;t have an entire offense made of these types of players.  You cannot field an entire team of replacement-level players, which what the Giants have been doing for the last five or six years.

Don&#039;t talk to me about rebuilding, we&#039;re rebuilding because the players Sabean went out and got are terrible, laughably overpaid 2 home run a year players who deserve to make about a third of what they earn.

You talk about rebuilding like a team that hasn&#039;t won a title in the history of the city the play in can afford to shit away a once in a lifetime chance to win a championship, WHICH THE GIANTS HAD THIS SEASON, and they shit it away like so much aggravating extra work they just didn&#039;t want to do.

It was a disgraceful performance by Sabean and Neukom.  There should have been no ends to which they wouldn&#039;t have gone once it became clear that we had a championship-caliber pitching staff, in the midst of an historic performance the likes of which we may never see again, and all the team needed to do was spend money and send a couple of valuable, tradable commodities you seem to think were so expendable, so unpredictably worthless, and get a hitter or two who could&#039;ve made a difference.

Instead, we traded away those valuable prospects and got Ryan Garko (as in, WHO THE FUCK IS RYAN GARKO?!?) and a completely broken-down, empty batting average 32-year old Freddie Sanchez, who contributed one home run and two walks.

THAT IS FAILURE OF THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST ORDER.

A playoff berth was there for the taking, and our GM failed in every way imaginable, wasting resources &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; coming so empty that he actually had to  replace Garko with the player that Garko had been brought in to replace.  Are you kidding somebody?  If it hadn&#039;t been for Juan Uribe and Eugenio Velez coming completely out of nowhere, the season would&#039;ve been lost months ago, our GM failed so spectacularly.

How you can fail to see that is remarkable to me.  I know you&#039;re smart.  But, in this instance, you are blind.  The Giants, out of nowhere, had a legitimate chance to make some noise in the postseason.  All it would&#039;ve taken is smart moves by our GM.  Instead, he made stupid, wasteful moves, moves that accomplished &lt;em&gt;nothing&lt;/em&gt;.  And, for that, he was rewarded with a new two year contract, and millions of dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I disagree on a lot of your points.  Brian Sabean made minor changes to a team that he thought was good enough.  He added a fifth starter, a relief specialist, and a (worthless) shortstop to a team that scored 640 runs the previous year, because he thought he was fine-tuning a competitive club.  He absolutely said so several times before the season started, and then he acted accordingly.  You don&#8217;t make those kinds of cosmetic, expensive additions to a rebuilding team, you just don&#8217;t. You play Burriss, you save your money, and you go out and get younger.  Sabean was going for it, and his idea of going for it was absurd.</p>
<p>And as for your prediction tha the Giants would contend, <em>I</em> predicted way back in the beginning of the season, that if every single thing went right, a superstar season by Sandoval, and Zito bouncing back, and Lincecum not having a sophmore slump, and Cain having his best year ever, and every other possible break going their way, the Giants still weren&#8217;t able to make the postseason.  It was my long-term view that was the correct one, not yours, Grant.  You missed the point of this season, just like Brian Sabean did.  The 88 wins were a mirage, a combination of good luck, timing, and the completely unseen event of our entire pitching staff shaving a full run off our ERA from the year before.</p>
<p>And what is this rebuilding thing you keep referring to?  Winn, Rowand, Molina, Ishikawa, Lewis, Renteria, these are all players that Sabean went out and got.  He paid handsomely for their services.  Rebuilding?  What is that?  He BUILT this team.</p>
<p>Alderson and Barnes had value, and Sabean transformed that value into more useless, league average players, who fit in exactly with the same league-average players he has been bringing here for going on seven years in a row.  If the Giants are rebuilding, it&#8217;s because of Sabean&#8217;s failure.  Let&#8217;s not forget his decision to forgo draft choices several years back; just one more of the ridiculous ways he has hamstrung his own team.</p>
<p>As for the draft being a crapshoot, well, sure it is, but what&#8217;s that got to with anything?  Forget about the draft.  Sabean doesn&#8217;t know what makes an offense go.  He doesn&#8217;t know how to build an offense.  If you value the wrong traits in a player, then it doesn&#8217;t matter what you do, because you will fail.  Brian Sabean values steady, veteran, experienced, high batting average gamers.  These players have a place in the game, you just can&#8217;t have an entire offense made of these types of players.  You cannot field an entire team of replacement-level players, which what the Giants have been doing for the last five or six years.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t talk to me about rebuilding, we&#8217;re rebuilding because the players Sabean went out and got are terrible, laughably overpaid 2 home run a year players who deserve to make about a third of what they earn.</p>
<p>You talk about rebuilding like a team that hasn&#8217;t won a title in the history of the city the play in can afford to shit away a once in a lifetime chance to win a championship, WHICH THE GIANTS HAD THIS SEASON, and they shit it away like so much aggravating extra work they just didn&#8217;t want to do.</p>
<p>It was a disgraceful performance by Sabean and Neukom.  There should have been no ends to which they wouldn&#8217;t have gone once it became clear that we had a championship-caliber pitching staff, in the midst of an historic performance the likes of which we may never see again, and all the team needed to do was spend money and send a couple of valuable, tradable commodities you seem to think were so expendable, so unpredictably worthless, and get a hitter or two who could&#8217;ve made a difference.</p>
<p>Instead, we traded away those valuable prospects and got Ryan Garko (as in, WHO THE FUCK IS RYAN GARKO?!?) and a completely broken-down, empty batting average 32-year old Freddie Sanchez, who contributed one home run and two walks.</p>
<p>THAT IS FAILURE OF THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST ORDER.</p>
<p>A playoff berth was there for the taking, and our GM failed in every way imaginable, wasting resources <em>and</em> coming so empty that he actually had to  replace Garko with the player that Garko had been brought in to replace.  Are you kidding somebody?  If it hadn&#8217;t been for Juan Uribe and Eugenio Velez coming completely out of nowhere, the season would&#8217;ve been lost months ago, our GM failed so spectacularly.</p>
<p>How you can fail to see that is remarkable to me.  I know you&#8217;re smart.  But, in this instance, you are blind.  The Giants, out of nowhere, had a legitimate chance to make some noise in the postseason.  All it would&#8217;ve taken is smart moves by our GM.  Instead, he made stupid, wasteful moves, moves that accomplished <em>nothing</em>.  And, for that, he was rewarded with a new two year contract, and millions of dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that the draft is a crapshoot, but I think that makes Sabean&#039;s (and in fairness, many GMs) poor moves last winter that much worse.  With Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval, and Posey, he has gotten some very good value out of his draft picks, but there&#039;s no guarantee that it will continue.  When you come up with a good draft class, you are under time pressure to build around them with good signings and/or trades.  Because you&#039;ve got six years before those players can become free agents, and that window is usually smaller since they all don&#039;t get to the big league team at the same time.

Passing up players like Dunn and Abreu while signing players like Renteria and trading for players like Sanchez is an example of missing a great opportunity to complement those young players with veterans who have a track record (and whose performance can be more reliably estimated).  Sabean has another chance to rectify that this winter, but his past performance and his statements should make Giants fans worry.

The window of opportunity starts to close almost as soon as it appears.  Sabean has lost one year already, and you&#039;ll never know what he would&#039;ve accomplished by making a couple of sensible signings this past winter (while avoiding some insensible signings and trades).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that the draft is a crapshoot, but I think that makes Sabean&#8217;s (and in fairness, many GMs) poor moves last winter that much worse.  With Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval, and Posey, he has gotten some very good value out of his draft picks, but there&#8217;s no guarantee that it will continue.  When you come up with a good draft class, you are under time pressure to build around them with good signings and/or trades.  Because you&#8217;ve got six years before those players can become free agents, and that window is usually smaller since they all don&#8217;t get to the big league team at the same time.</p>
<p>Passing up players like Dunn and Abreu while signing players like Renteria and trading for players like Sanchez is an example of missing a great opportunity to complement those young players with veterans who have a track record (and whose performance can be more reliably estimated).  Sabean has another chance to rectify that this winter, but his past performance and his statements should make Giants fans worry.</p>
<p>The window of opportunity starts to close almost as soon as it appears.  Sabean has lost one year already, and you&#8217;ll never know what he would&#8217;ve accomplished by making a couple of sensible signings this past winter (while avoiding some insensible signings and trades).</p>
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		<title>By: trantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written a few letters in my head. I will put it to paper in the next week.

On the comentary side, Obsessive, I strongly disagree with one major point you make. This is not the fault of rebuilding, or one bad signging.

VIRTUALLY EVERY PLAYER SABAEN HAS PURSUED IN THE PAST 5-10 YEARS HAS NO .OPS. Think about it.
His new Prize, Sanchez? Horrific. Rowand? Terrible. Winn is a semi-exception, but he has never ranked high in OPS. Renteria? haha.  Look at who he traded Nathan, Bonser and Liriano for - the joke Pierzinski, who is the only player in the majors that would be a contest for Molina in a race. The entire league knew Sabean was taken to the cleaners on the day of that trade, it wasn&#039;t close to being reasonable. 

Which of these Sabean signees would you build a team around? Marquis Grissom? Elgardo Alfonzo? Marvin Bernard? Michael Tucker? Neifi Perez? Ricky Ledee? Mike Matheny? Omar (yes, I can agree with acquiring Omar, because of his glove, but his .OPS??) resigning Ray Durham? Shae Hillenbrand? Steve Finley? Dave Roberts? Ryan Klesko? Mark Sweeney? Benjie Molino? Renteria? Did I forget any members of this forgettable club?
There must be $200 million invested in this group, maybe more. And it ignores our $150 million man, who is not a hitter. Doesn&#039;t Neukom look at the numbers on the paychecks?

The problem is not that the Giants have no offense, it is that Sabean and his talent evaluation process have a fundamental flaw in evaluating hitting. Somehow, they are spectacularly good on drafting pitchers. (Free agent pitcher signings might be another matter) But hitting? They haven&#039;t a clue. 

Sabean needs to take the winter and read Bill James body of work, and have his staff study Baseball Prospectus and Baseball Primer. Maybe then a light bulb will go off.

But I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written a few letters in my head. I will put it to paper in the next week.</p>
<p>On the comentary side, Obsessive, I strongly disagree with one major point you make. This is not the fault of rebuilding, or one bad signging.</p>
<p>VIRTUALLY EVERY PLAYER SABAEN HAS PURSUED IN THE PAST 5-10 YEARS HAS NO .OPS. Think about it.<br />
His new Prize, Sanchez? Horrific. Rowand? Terrible. Winn is a semi-exception, but he has never ranked high in OPS. Renteria? haha.  Look at who he traded Nathan, Bonser and Liriano for &#8211; the joke Pierzinski, who is the only player in the majors that would be a contest for Molina in a race. The entire league knew Sabean was taken to the cleaners on the day of that trade, it wasn&#8217;t close to being reasonable. </p>
<p>Which of these Sabean signees would you build a team around? Marquis Grissom? Elgardo Alfonzo? Marvin Bernard? Michael Tucker? Neifi Perez? Ricky Ledee? Mike Matheny? Omar (yes, I can agree with acquiring Omar, because of his glove, but his .OPS??) resigning Ray Durham? Shae Hillenbrand? Steve Finley? Dave Roberts? Ryan Klesko? Mark Sweeney? Benjie Molino? Renteria? Did I forget any members of this forgettable club?<br />
There must be $200 million invested in this group, maybe more. And it ignores our $150 million man, who is not a hitter. Doesn&#8217;t Neukom look at the numbers on the paychecks?</p>
<p>The problem is not that the Giants have no offense, it is that Sabean and his talent evaluation process have a fundamental flaw in evaluating hitting. Somehow, they are spectacularly good on drafting pitchers. (Free agent pitcher signings might be another matter) But hitting? They haven&#8217;t a clue. </p>
<p>Sabean needs to take the winter and read Bill James body of work, and have his staff study Baseball Prospectus and Baseball Primer. Maybe then a light bulb will go off.</p>
<p>But I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.C.,
  
Thanks for your thoughts.  Have enjoyed your blog for some time.
 
What if many fans could collectively put together a two or three-paragraph letter?  We could continue mailing multiple copies of this letter to the front office each week (or have someone drop about 10,000 paper copies around the city of San Francisco!).
 
Again, some may laugh at this idea, but at this point, what&#039;s to lose?  It&#039;s time for people to react to an organization that is too stubborn to investigate the importance of on-base skill independent of batting average...an organization that won&#039;t deny endorsing a &quot;pitch to [your] defense&quot; philosophy...an organization that believes human character intangibles can make up for age-related player attrition.  
 
This is not a roster that is going to be impossible to upgrade.  It can be done.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.C.,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  Have enjoyed your blog for some time.</p>
<p>What if many fans could collectively put together a two or three-paragraph letter?  We could continue mailing multiple copies of this letter to the front office each week (or have someone drop about 10,000 paper copies around the city of San Francisco!).</p>
<p>Again, some may laugh at this idea, but at this point, what&#8217;s to lose?  It&#8217;s time for people to react to an organization that is too stubborn to investigate the importance of on-base skill independent of batting average&#8230;an organization that won&#8217;t deny endorsing a &#8220;pitch to [your] defense&#8221; philosophy&#8230;an organization that believes human character intangibles can make up for age-related player attrition.  </p>
<p>This is not a roster that is going to be impossible to upgrade.  It can be done.</p>
<p>John</p>
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