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		<title>By: DonK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+Mia&#039;s analysis of the Giants as driven by marketing/profits, with winning a secondary consideration, seems right on.

As a New York-area based fan (there are still some of us) who has followed the team since 1959, I find it fascinating to compare my favorite team with my least-favorite (the one in the Bronx; the one that gouges its fans perhaps even more than the Giants but puts a winning team on the field).

Sabean came from the Yankees after having a hand in building the early part of the Yankees revival. It&#039;s obvious, however, that he missed the memos on things like OBP, plate discipline, etc. As little as I like the Yankees, it&#039;s impossible not to respect their intelligence at the plate, their willingness to keep fouling off pitches (much like the Dodgers vs. Cain last night) and their ability to wear down pitchers.

That is how winning offensive baseball is played. The presence of Barry Bonds covered up a lot of offensive flaws. Without him, they&#039;ve been completely exposed, as has Sabean&#039;s inability/unwillingness to find players who can/will get on base.

In contrast to the Yankees (OBP about .360), we have the most hack-tastic team in MLB -- not surprising, since the hitting coach was that kind of player. It is embarrassing at times to watch the Giants&#039; &quot;attack&quot; -- it consists of a bunch of guys flailing at pitches out of the strike zone, hitting easy grounders and fly balls, and going down in 10-12 pitch innings. It&#039;s as if working a pitcher for a walk or a good pitch to hit is against company policy.

Sabean must be replaced; maybe the late-season collapse will help. More important, Bochy and his staff (especially Lansford, and maybe not Righetti) MUST go. There has to be a complete re-thinking of the team&#039;s offensive philosophy, and that&#039;s not going to happen under the current administration. 

The Giants have an excellent nucleus of starting pitchers and (last night excepted) a solid bullpen. A league-average offense would have won the pennant. The Giants are not the Kansas City Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates, who lack the resources and smarts to compete. We have the resources. It&#039;s the smarts that aren&#039;t there. We wasted the prime years of the greatest offensive player of the last 40 years, and we seem to be willing to do the same with an excellent rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+Mia&#8217;s analysis of the Giants as driven by marketing/profits, with winning a secondary consideration, seems right on.</p>
<p>As a New York-area based fan (there are still some of us) who has followed the team since 1959, I find it fascinating to compare my favorite team with my least-favorite (the one in the Bronx; the one that gouges its fans perhaps even more than the Giants but puts a winning team on the field).</p>
<p>Sabean came from the Yankees after having a hand in building the early part of the Yankees revival. It&#8217;s obvious, however, that he missed the memos on things like OBP, plate discipline, etc. As little as I like the Yankees, it&#8217;s impossible not to respect their intelligence at the plate, their willingness to keep fouling off pitches (much like the Dodgers vs. Cain last night) and their ability to wear down pitchers.</p>
<p>That is how winning offensive baseball is played. The presence of Barry Bonds covered up a lot of offensive flaws. Without him, they&#8217;ve been completely exposed, as has Sabean&#8217;s inability/unwillingness to find players who can/will get on base.</p>
<p>In contrast to the Yankees (OBP about .360), we have the most hack-tastic team in MLB &#8212; not surprising, since the hitting coach was that kind of player. It is embarrassing at times to watch the Giants&#8217; &#8220;attack&#8221; &#8212; it consists of a bunch of guys flailing at pitches out of the strike zone, hitting easy grounders and fly balls, and going down in 10-12 pitch innings. It&#8217;s as if working a pitcher for a walk or a good pitch to hit is against company policy.</p>
<p>Sabean must be replaced; maybe the late-season collapse will help. More important, Bochy and his staff (especially Lansford, and maybe not Righetti) MUST go. There has to be a complete re-thinking of the team&#8217;s offensive philosophy, and that&#8217;s not going to happen under the current administration. </p>
<p>The Giants have an excellent nucleus of starting pitchers and (last night excepted) a solid bullpen. A league-average offense would have won the pennant. The Giants are not the Kansas City Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates, who lack the resources and smarts to compete. We have the resources. It&#8217;s the smarts that aren&#8217;t there. We wasted the prime years of the greatest offensive player of the last 40 years, and we seem to be willing to do the same with an excellent rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Scott. There is this to add to that.  From  Andy Baggarly, one of the hardest working beat guys in the Bay Area,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/09/10/waiting-for-posey-plumbing-the-schedule-english-claimed-by-nats-etc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Extra Baggs&lt;/a&gt;, his blog lends some backup to what a lot of folks have maintained about Bochy&#039;s slavish devotion to old players:


&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s put this team in Bengie Molina’s hands. Bengie has called the pitches, been saddled unfairly with cleanup duties, taken foul tips to every part of his body, been beaten up in ways only fellow catchers can fully appreciate.

And let’s not forget Bochy is a former catcher.

Even when Molina takes a day off, and I’m not sure he’s gonna the remainder of the way, Bochy has a backup, Eli Whiteside, who’s caught a no-hitter and won acclaim while working with every starter on the staff.

To take away the keys at this late hour and throw them at someone with no big league experience, in Bochy’s mind, would be disrespectful to two guys who’ve helped the team overachieve to get this far.

Maybe that doesn’t matter to you, but remember, a baseball clubhouse is governed by some of the same dynamics that govern any workplace environment. And that means standing in the middle of the room and saying, “These are our guys, this is our team. If we’re good enough, we’re good enough. And if we’re not, we’re not.”

I’m not telling you that point of view is right or wrong. I’m just saying it’s not as easy to plug Posey in there as you might believe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We had talked about the same thing about Bochy over here &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2009/09/07/the-good/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the comments&lt;/a&gt; section some days ago.  


&lt;blockquote&gt;No mystery to me. Or anybody else thats been paying attention to Bochy for more than his tenure here in San Francisco. Kevin Towers got fed up with Bochy during the middle of the 2006 season and his insistence of starting Vinny Castilla at third base. Castilla, who was OPSing at .579 and was clearly done, was finally kicked out by Towers at Alderson’s insistence. (Much like Rich Aurilia getting put on the DL with phantom injuries all of this season) 

The Pads won the division before getting eliminated in the first round in four games by the Cards. For what’s it worth the Padres scored a grand total of 7 runs in those 4 games. Though Bochy still had one year to go on his contract, he was “encouraged” to seek other “opportunities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;re a little harder on Bochy than Baggs.  But you&#039;ll get the point. It was no act of whimsy on Sandy Alderson&#039;s and Kevin Tower&#039;s part to show Bochy the door, even after winning the division and with one year remaining on his contract.  To them it was a sunk cost.  Something the Giants ownership is too cheap to deal with, preferring to eke every last cent of worthlessness out of guys like Molina, Winn, Rowand, Zito, Roberts, Klesko, Renteria, Vizquel, Finley, Hillenbrand etc.

Marvin Gaye sang it best.  &quot;Make Me Want to Holler&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Scott. There is this to add to that.  From  Andy Baggarly, one of the hardest working beat guys in the Bay Area,  <a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/09/10/waiting-for-posey-plumbing-the-schedule-english-claimed-by-nats-etc/" rel="nofollow">Extra Baggs</a>, his blog lends some backup to what a lot of folks have maintained about Bochy&#8217;s slavish devotion to old players:</p>
<blockquote><p>He’s put this team in Bengie Molina’s hands. Bengie has called the pitches, been saddled unfairly with cleanup duties, taken foul tips to every part of his body, been beaten up in ways only fellow catchers can fully appreciate.</p>
<p>And let’s not forget Bochy is a former catcher.</p>
<p>Even when Molina takes a day off, and I’m not sure he’s gonna the remainder of the way, Bochy has a backup, Eli Whiteside, who’s caught a no-hitter and won acclaim while working with every starter on the staff.</p>
<p>To take away the keys at this late hour and throw them at someone with no big league experience, in Bochy’s mind, would be disrespectful to two guys who’ve helped the team overachieve to get this far.</p>
<p>Maybe that doesn’t matter to you, but remember, a baseball clubhouse is governed by some of the same dynamics that govern any workplace environment. And that means standing in the middle of the room and saying, “These are our guys, this is our team. If we’re good enough, we’re good enough. And if we’re not, we’re not.”</p>
<p>I’m not telling you that point of view is right or wrong. I’m just saying it’s not as easy to plug Posey in there as you might believe.</p></blockquote>
<p>We had talked about the same thing about Bochy over here <a href="http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2009/09/07/the-good/#comments" rel="nofollow">in the comments</a> section some days ago.  </p>
<blockquote><p>No mystery to me. Or anybody else thats been paying attention to Bochy for more than his tenure here in San Francisco. Kevin Towers got fed up with Bochy during the middle of the 2006 season and his insistence of starting Vinny Castilla at third base. Castilla, who was OPSing at .579 and was clearly done, was finally kicked out by Towers at Alderson’s insistence. (Much like Rich Aurilia getting put on the DL with phantom injuries all of this season) </p>
<p>The Pads won the division before getting eliminated in the first round in four games by the Cards. For what’s it worth the Padres scored a grand total of 7 runs in those 4 games. Though Bochy still had one year to go on his contract, he was “encouraged” to seek other “opportunities.</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;re a little harder on Bochy than Baggs.  But you&#8217;ll get the point. It was no act of whimsy on Sandy Alderson&#8217;s and Kevin Tower&#8217;s part to show Bochy the door, even after winning the division and with one year remaining on his contract.  To them it was a sunk cost.  Something the Giants ownership is too cheap to deal with, preferring to eke every last cent of worthlessness out of guys like Molina, Winn, Rowand, Zito, Roberts, Klesko, Renteria, Vizquel, Finley, Hillenbrand etc.</p>
<p>Marvin Gaye sang it best.  &#8220;Make Me Want to Holler&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: scott s</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+mia,

Good analysis...and spot on. Sickening to hear &quot;I&#039;m in&quot; from Krukow and the rest...on an hourly basis. How in the hell did he become such a suck up. What a waste of what once was a good announcer. &quot;We&#039;re in this thing&quot; is a classic example of Baer and his lemmings.

You and I have been saying for almost two years that mgmt&#039;s goals and priorities are 1.Profitability 2. Marketing 3. Stay Competitive and somewhere down the list winning. The Gigantes mgmt&#039;s attitude and philosophy about winning is like the famous sign &quot;Free Beer Tomorrow&quot;...which hangs daily...as we all know...tomorrow never comes. 

I do not think Bochy is calling the shots on Posey. Just reaks of Sabeanmetrics.

As long as they keep making tons of money...change will be slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+mia,</p>
<p>Good analysis&#8230;and spot on. Sickening to hear &#8220;I&#8217;m in&#8221; from Krukow and the rest&#8230;on an hourly basis. How in the hell did he become such a suck up. What a waste of what once was a good announcer. &#8220;We&#8217;re in this thing&#8221; is a classic example of Baer and his lemmings.</p>
<p>You and I have been saying for almost two years that mgmt&#8217;s goals and priorities are 1.Profitability 2. Marketing 3. Stay Competitive and somewhere down the list winning. The Gigantes mgmt&#8217;s attitude and philosophy about winning is like the famous sign &#8220;Free Beer Tomorrow&#8221;&#8230;which hangs daily&#8230;as we all know&#8230;tomorrow never comes. </p>
<p>I do not think Bochy is calling the shots on Posey. Just reaks of Sabeanmetrics.</p>
<p>As long as they keep making tons of money&#8230;change will be slow.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job.  Don&#039;t like what it says even though we all know it to be true.  Its funny what you can tell by looking at something like the stats that Trantor posted and than viewing them in conjunction with something that Freddy Sanchez said yesterday after the loss to the Padres:

&quot;We&#039;ve got to learn to trust the guys behind us&quot;  he said, referring to the kinds of plate appearances the Giants have.

How fucking telling is that?  Well it tells me what Trantor&#039;s Walk rates analysis tells me.  This is not a team that has team at bats. Its guys like Bengie Molina who think it is a lack of machismo to take a walk.  It is an Aaron Rowand flailing away at sliders early in the count when he knows he can&#039;t hit a slider to save his life.  It is Randy Winn insisting on hitting against left-handed pitching when his OPS is worse than that of most guys in the pen. It is a roster full of guys trying to accumulate hits. For personal reasons.  On their own. As individuals. It is using your dick instead of your brain at the plate. And thats what everybody is treated to night after night.  

What they mean by calling Bochy a players manager is that he lets the old fuck nozzles do whatever they want, while he ignores the younger guys.  Just like they did back in Charlie Comisky&#039;s day.   Thats tradition. That&#039;s grit, savvy, and veteran leadership the Sabean way.  

What a heaping steaming pile of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job.  Don&#8217;t like what it says even though we all know it to be true.  Its funny what you can tell by looking at something like the stats that Trantor posted and than viewing them in conjunction with something that Freddy Sanchez said yesterday after the loss to the Padres:</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve got to learn to trust the guys behind us&#8221;  he said, referring to the kinds of plate appearances the Giants have.</p>
<p>How fucking telling is that?  Well it tells me what Trantor&#8217;s Walk rates analysis tells me.  This is not a team that has team at bats. Its guys like Bengie Molina who think it is a lack of machismo to take a walk.  It is an Aaron Rowand flailing away at sliders early in the count when he knows he can&#8217;t hit a slider to save his life.  It is Randy Winn insisting on hitting against left-handed pitching when his OPS is worse than that of most guys in the pen. It is a roster full of guys trying to accumulate hits. For personal reasons.  On their own. As individuals. It is using your dick instead of your brain at the plate. And thats what everybody is treated to night after night.  </p>
<p>What they mean by calling Bochy a players manager is that he lets the old fuck nozzles do whatever they want, while he ignores the younger guys.  Just like they did back in Charlie Comisky&#8217;s day.   Thats tradition. That&#8217;s grit, savvy, and veteran leadership the Sabean way.  </p>
<p>What a heaping steaming pile of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This venture into facts to support what many here have been writing for a long time is kind of interesting, really.  That the Giants are mismanaged from a baseball organization standpoint raises the question of why so many Giants followers are so willing to not see the Giants for what they have become.  And for what they are.  A brilliantly run marketing organization.  As effective in selling their product as pitchman Billy Mays was for Oxy Clean and any other number of useless, but shiny and curiosity-creating gimmicks.

I&#039;m not exactly sure why so many want to buy into the illusion that because games that are being lost are not lopsided, that somehow the team is competitive, and well-managed, and well-run and has great chemistry, and veteran leadership and loyalty and all of these intangible qualities that get run out to confront the critics when there is no objective evidence to support the notion that this is a good team.

But, obviously there are enough people that do, to keep the turnstiles turning.  For instance, two of the most common talking points floating around in response to the imminent failure of the Giants season and the negativity generated by the last 5 seasons of Brian Sabean&#039;s reign of failure and being repeated like Buddhist  chants, are:

1.) &quot;If somebody had told you at the beginning of the season that the Giants would be contending for a play-off spot in September, you would have thought they were nuts, so you should just shut the fuck up and be grateful for Bochy&#039;s and Sabean&#039;s and Baer&#039;s pure baseball brilliance.&quot;  

2.) &quot;Wow, what an exciting season with all those close games!&quot;

Well my response to these two outlandish canards is this.

To the first.  Its like having a picture window in solitary confinement when you never committed a crime. Winning organizations are prepared to pounce on every opportunity, whether anticipated or not.  They draw up &quot;what if&quot; scenarios and when those scenarios present themselves, they act on those plans.  Like the Rockies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Angels.  The Managing General Partner in a good baseball organization doesn&#039;t go on the public record and explain away their lack of performance with a mealy-mouthed; &quot;...well, this is a rebuilding year,&quot;.  And than fail to explain why guys like Posey, Ishikawa, Schierholtz, Lewis, and even Velez were and are treated like unwanted step-children by the GM and Field Manager.

That they got this close with only pitching would have made it a lock-down cinch for an astute GM to recognize what good things were happening by the end of May,and make plans accordingly to upgrade and secure the hitting he needed. A down economy, a buyers market,  bulging coffers, and desirable minor league prospects, made it a slam dunk for anybody not named Sabean. 

It is amazing how late to the party Sabean was in recognizing that the baseball gods were smiling upon him for the first time in years.  The earlier mentioned performances of the pitching staff, needed only be supported by league average hitting to give the Giants an opportunity to not only compete, but to re-establish themselves once again as a power in the NL West.  

But no.  He continues to be who he is. Reactive and antiquated.  Again at the last minute, in order to keep the marketing people happy as they came up with the &quot;We&#039;re In This Thing&quot; ticket sales campaign, he signs two more filler players in Garko and Sanchez and calls it good.  

2. )  Exciting? Thats like watching your daughter in the school play fall off the stage and than be really happy she didn&#039;t break a leg.  

This is what is commonly referred to in the real world as failure. It is like a negotiated armistice. At least the killing is stopped. And in war, thats a good thing.  In baseball its not a good thing. It means you lost again and missed the playoffs again. For the sixth year in a row.  The longest stretch since the advent of the Wild Card.

Only a sap, who worship at the feet of celebrity radio pitchmen, television hacks, prostituted msm writers and marketing shills while they get sunshine blown up their asses, could six consecutive years of failure, with more on the horizon, be called a &quot;success&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This venture into facts to support what many here have been writing for a long time is kind of interesting, really.  That the Giants are mismanaged from a baseball organization standpoint raises the question of why so many Giants followers are so willing to not see the Giants for what they have become.  And for what they are.  A brilliantly run marketing organization.  As effective in selling their product as pitchman Billy Mays was for Oxy Clean and any other number of useless, but shiny and curiosity-creating gimmicks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not exactly sure why so many want to buy into the illusion that because games that are being lost are not lopsided, that somehow the team is competitive, and well-managed, and well-run and has great chemistry, and veteran leadership and loyalty and all of these intangible qualities that get run out to confront the critics when there is no objective evidence to support the notion that this is a good team.</p>
<p>But, obviously there are enough people that do, to keep the turnstiles turning.  For instance, two of the most common talking points floating around in response to the imminent failure of the Giants season and the negativity generated by the last 5 seasons of Brian Sabean&#8217;s reign of failure and being repeated like Buddhist  chants, are:</p>
<p>1.) &#8220;If somebody had told you at the beginning of the season that the Giants would be contending for a play-off spot in September, you would have thought they were nuts, so you should just shut the fuck up and be grateful for Bochy&#8217;s and Sabean&#8217;s and Baer&#8217;s pure baseball brilliance.&#8221;  </p>
<p>2.) &#8220;Wow, what an exciting season with all those close games!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well my response to these two outlandish canards is this.</p>
<p>To the first.  Its like having a picture window in solitary confinement when you never committed a crime. Winning organizations are prepared to pounce on every opportunity, whether anticipated or not.  They draw up &#8220;what if&#8221; scenarios and when those scenarios present themselves, they act on those plans.  Like the Rockies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Angels.  The Managing General Partner in a good baseball organization doesn&#8217;t go on the public record and explain away their lack of performance with a mealy-mouthed; &#8220;&#8230;well, this is a rebuilding year,&#8221;.  And than fail to explain why guys like Posey, Ishikawa, Schierholtz, Lewis, and even Velez were and are treated like unwanted step-children by the GM and Field Manager.</p>
<p>That they got this close with only pitching would have made it a lock-down cinch for an astute GM to recognize what good things were happening by the end of May,and make plans accordingly to upgrade and secure the hitting he needed. A down economy, a buyers market,  bulging coffers, and desirable minor league prospects, made it a slam dunk for anybody not named Sabean. </p>
<p>It is amazing how late to the party Sabean was in recognizing that the baseball gods were smiling upon him for the first time in years.  The earlier mentioned performances of the pitching staff, needed only be supported by league average hitting to give the Giants an opportunity to not only compete, but to re-establish themselves once again as a power in the NL West.  </p>
<p>But no.  He continues to be who he is. Reactive and antiquated.  Again at the last minute, in order to keep the marketing people happy as they came up with the &#8220;We&#8217;re In This Thing&#8221; ticket sales campaign, he signs two more filler players in Garko and Sanchez and calls it good.  </p>
<p>2. )  Exciting? Thats like watching your daughter in the school play fall off the stage and than be really happy she didn&#8217;t break a leg.  </p>
<p>This is what is commonly referred to in the real world as failure. It is like a negotiated armistice. At least the killing is stopped. And in war, thats a good thing.  In baseball its not a good thing. It means you lost again and missed the playoffs again. For the sixth year in a row.  The longest stretch since the advent of the Wild Card.</p>
<p>Only a sap, who worship at the feet of celebrity radio pitchmen, television hacks, prostituted msm writers and marketing shills while they get sunshine blown up their asses, could six consecutive years of failure, with more on the horizon, be called a &#8220;success&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: trantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John;

And now you know why the Giants let Torrealba go.... too many walks!</description>
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<p>And now you know why the Giants let Torrealba go&#8230;. too many walks!</p>
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		<title>By: trantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that article and had done this in Excel (Courtesy Baseball-reference.com)
(150 PA&#039;s or more per team)

Player      PA&#039;s    Walks   % of PA&#039;s
Dodgers:
Pierre	379	25	6.60%
Kemp	579	47	8.12%
Furcal	596	52	8.72%
Hudson	577	52	9.01%
Ethier	604	60	9.93%
Looney	571	60	10.51%
Loretta	188	20	10.64%
Blake	        518	56	10.81%
Martin	517	58	11.22%
Ramirez	362	57	15.75%
Team	      5570	517	9.28%

Rockies:
Barmes	533	26	4.88%
Torrealba	172	15	8.72%
Spilborghs	352	31	8.81%
Gonzales	243	23	9.47%
Atkins	364	39	10.71%
Stewart	431	47	10.90%
Tulowitzki	540	63	11.67%
Iannetta	333	40	12.01%
Smith	327	41	12.54%
Hawpe	523	66	12.62%
Helton	558	73	13.08%
Fowler	455	63	13.85%
TEAM	      5389	568	10.54%

Giants:
Molina	473	12	2.54%
Bowker	39	1	2.56%
Whiteside	109	3	2.75%
Sanchez	72	2	2.78%
Shierholtz	281	14	4.98%
Rowand	486	27	5.56%
Uribe	        345	20	5.80%
Velez	        220	13	5.91%
Burris	220	14	6.36%
Aurilia	121	8	6.61%
Winn	        537	38	7.08%
Ishikawa	310	22	7.10%
Sandoval	540	42	7.78%
Renteria	500	39	7.80%
Lewis  	314	33	10.51%
Torres	114	12	10.53%
Team	      5234	331	6.32%
I added Sanchez and Bowker to show how they fit the mold of a Giant under Sabean.

Interesting side notes:
Barmes looks like a future Giant!  ;-)
Its clear that both Rockies and Dodgers were built around OPS and taking walks. Its clear that the Giants are built around, at best, batting average. The fact that the two best Giants at walk percentage (Lewis and Torres) are players struggling to get plate appearances says something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that article and had done this in Excel (Courtesy Baseball-reference.com)<br />
(150 PA&#8217;s or more per team)</p>
<p>Player      PA&#8217;s    Walks   % of PA&#8217;s<br />
Dodgers:<br />
Pierre	379	25	6.60%<br />
Kemp	579	47	8.12%<br />
Furcal	596	52	8.72%<br />
Hudson	577	52	9.01%<br />
Ethier	604	60	9.93%<br />
Looney	571	60	10.51%<br />
Loretta	188	20	10.64%<br />
Blake	        518	56	10.81%<br />
Martin	517	58	11.22%<br />
Ramirez	362	57	15.75%<br />
Team	      5570	517	9.28%</p>
<p>Rockies:<br />
Barmes	533	26	4.88%<br />
Torrealba	172	15	8.72%<br />
Spilborghs	352	31	8.81%<br />
Gonzales	243	23	9.47%<br />
Atkins	364	39	10.71%<br />
Stewart	431	47	10.90%<br />
Tulowitzki	540	63	11.67%<br />
Iannetta	333	40	12.01%<br />
Smith	327	41	12.54%<br />
Hawpe	523	66	12.62%<br />
Helton	558	73	13.08%<br />
Fowler	455	63	13.85%<br />
TEAM	      5389	568	10.54%</p>
<p>Giants:<br />
Molina	473	12	2.54%<br />
Bowker	39	1	2.56%<br />
Whiteside	109	3	2.75%<br />
Sanchez	72	2	2.78%<br />
Shierholtz	281	14	4.98%<br />
Rowand	486	27	5.56%<br />
Uribe	        345	20	5.80%<br />
Velez	        220	13	5.91%<br />
Burris	220	14	6.36%<br />
Aurilia	121	8	6.61%<br />
Winn	        537	38	7.08%<br />
Ishikawa	310	22	7.10%<br />
Sandoval	540	42	7.78%<br />
Renteria	500	39	7.80%<br />
Lewis  	314	33	10.51%<br />
Torres	114	12	10.53%<br />
Team	      5234	331	6.32%<br />
I added Sanchez and Bowker to show how they fit the mold of a Giant under Sabean.</p>
<p>Interesting side notes:<br />
Barmes looks like a future Giant!  <img src='http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Its clear that both Rockies and Dodgers were built around OPS and taking walks. Its clear that the Giants are built around, at best, batting average. The fact that the two best Giants at walk percentage (Lewis and Torres) are players struggling to get plate appearances says something.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buster Posey? At Bats? Bochy wouldn&#039;t consider something that crazy until Posey has at least 14-16 years of experience and decreasing skills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buster Posey? At Bats? Bochy wouldn&#8217;t consider something that crazy until Posey has at least 14-16 years of experience and decreasing skills</p>
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