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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the only thing missing was Kurt Rueter.  And with all due respect to the guys there at HT, I appreciate them showing all their work and all, but shit, I don&#039;t need 17 pages of stats and paragraphs of inductive reasoning to convince me that Zito, Hampton, Davis and guys like Rueter and even Steve Avery have been over-contracted by doofus GMs who get overly excited by &quot;crafty left-handers&quot;.  These GMs are the same guys that cannot help themselves from paying top dollar for chia pets, pet-rocks, sham-wows and veteran left-handed pitchers with play-off experience. 

But just think.  Even after this year four more seasons of Zito.  For some perspective 4 seasons ago, (2006) Barry Bonds put up a .999 OPS with 26 HR which would tower over every piece of garbage free agent that Sabean has signed since 2006.  Four years from now, when Zito is at the end of his contract 2013, Lincecum and Cain will be close to 30 as will be Jonathan Sanchez.  

And if that isn&#039;t enough to make you sick, Aaron Rowand (who managed to hit into the first Giants triple play in over 10 years while going 0 for 6 in a loss to the forsaken Brewers) is owed 13.6 million next year, next year and the year after that.  Is anybody really looking forward to that?  

So John, you think Billy Bowtie was looking at the $6.5 million Sabean put him on the hook for to Dave Roberts, the $8million to Randy Johnson, and the excellent production the Giants have received from Garko and Sanchez and finally just told Sabean..&quot;Enough!&quot;?

Just for some perspective

2005 3rd place 7 games out 649 runs scored
2006 3rd place 746 runs scored, Wild Card from the NL West
2007 5th place 683 runs scored, Wild Card from the NL West
2008 4th place 640 runs scored
2009 3rd place 6.5 games out. 590 runs projected, Wild Card from NL West projected.

This is not a baseball team even worthy of the 2005 Giants.  It is a pitching staff and Pablo Sandoval.  It is about marketing the illusion of winning, not winning.  Third place in a 5 team division is still third place. 

The Giants do not have a single solitary starter that would start on any playoff team. None, with the exception of Sandoval.  25% of the National League teams qualify for the playoffs and the Giants, other than Sandoval, have not a single player that starts and maybe only a two or three more at most that would make it as scrubini back ups.  

That is not a major league team out there.  When a pitching staff only gives up 8 runs in 6 games and still gets hung with 3 losses that is not a team they are pitching for, that is a Carnival sideshow of freaks.  

When a pitching staff being paid minimum wages holds opposing teams to almost a full run under the league average and you can barely play a little better than .500 for the last 2 months, you&#039;re a failure and a disgrace in every sense of the word.  If Cain, Lincecum and Sandoval (who wasn&#039;t even on the final roster 2 weeks before the end of Spring Training such was Sabean&#039;s uncertainty of Sanodval&#039;s value) had not had breakout years, there is no telling how poorly the record would be.  This team is hard enough to watch as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the only thing missing was Kurt Rueter.  And with all due respect to the guys there at HT, I appreciate them showing all their work and all, but shit, I don&#8217;t need 17 pages of stats and paragraphs of inductive reasoning to convince me that Zito, Hampton, Davis and guys like Rueter and even Steve Avery have been over-contracted by doofus GMs who get overly excited by &#8220;crafty left-handers&#8221;.  These GMs are the same guys that cannot help themselves from paying top dollar for chia pets, pet-rocks, sham-wows and veteran left-handed pitchers with play-off experience. </p>
<p>But just think.  Even after this year four more seasons of Zito.  For some perspective 4 seasons ago, (2006) Barry Bonds put up a .999 OPS with 26 HR which would tower over every piece of garbage free agent that Sabean has signed since 2006.  Four years from now, when Zito is at the end of his contract 2013, Lincecum and Cain will be close to 30 as will be Jonathan Sanchez.  </p>
<p>And if that isn&#8217;t enough to make you sick, Aaron Rowand (who managed to hit into the first Giants triple play in over 10 years while going 0 for 6 in a loss to the forsaken Brewers) is owed 13.6 million next year, next year and the year after that.  Is anybody really looking forward to that?  </p>
<p>So John, you think Billy Bowtie was looking at the $6.5 million Sabean put him on the hook for to Dave Roberts, the $8million to Randy Johnson, and the excellent production the Giants have received from Garko and Sanchez and finally just told Sabean..&#8221;Enough!&#8221;?</p>
<p>Just for some perspective</p>
<p>2005 3rd place 7 games out 649 runs scored<br />
2006 3rd place 746 runs scored, Wild Card from the NL West<br />
2007 5th place 683 runs scored, Wild Card from the NL West<br />
2008 4th place 640 runs scored<br />
2009 3rd place 6.5 games out. 590 runs projected, Wild Card from NL West projected.</p>
<p>This is not a baseball team even worthy of the 2005 Giants.  It is a pitching staff and Pablo Sandoval.  It is about marketing the illusion of winning, not winning.  Third place in a 5 team division is still third place. </p>
<p>The Giants do not have a single solitary starter that would start on any playoff team. None, with the exception of Sandoval.  25% of the National League teams qualify for the playoffs and the Giants, other than Sandoval, have not a single player that starts and maybe only a two or three more at most that would make it as scrubini back ups.  </p>
<p>That is not a major league team out there.  When a pitching staff only gives up 8 runs in 6 games and still gets hung with 3 losses that is not a team they are pitching for, that is a Carnival sideshow of freaks.  </p>
<p>When a pitching staff being paid minimum wages holds opposing teams to almost a full run under the league average and you can barely play a little better than .500 for the last 2 months, you&#8217;re a failure and a disgrace in every sense of the word.  If Cain, Lincecum and Sandoval (who wasn&#8217;t even on the final roster 2 weeks before the end of Spring Training such was Sabean&#8217;s uncertainty of Sanodval&#8217;s value) had not had breakout years, there is no telling how poorly the record would be.  This team is hard enough to watch as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: trantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t miss this article on Hardball Times on Hampton/Zito/Davis.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/hampton-zito-davis/

&#039;nuff said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t miss this article on Hardball Times on Hampton/Zito/Davis.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/hampton-zito-davis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/hampton-zito-davis/</a></p>
<p>&#8217;nuff said</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenkins is actually pretty funny...or would be pretty funny if folks didn&#039;t take his smug sophistry seriously.  I think when Glenn Dickey was making references to the rampant non-professionalism during the Bonds years exhibited by his former colleagues at the Chronicle, I am pretty sure he had Jenkins at the top of the list.

How is anybody with a baseball IQ 5 points higher than an artichoke supposed to take this without just gaping in shock and awe at nuggets of ass-wisdom like the following defense of Bochy and promoting Bochy as manager of the year (from uncle joe&#039;s link above):

&lt;blockquote&gt; People seem to have no idea what he&#039;s up against, but here&#039;s a hint: Imagine Bochy with a lineup starting with Felipe Alou, Harvey Kuenn, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey and Orlando Cepeda (the 1961-62 Giants), or one anchored by Will Clark, Barry Bonds and Matt Williams (1993). Does that help at all? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, yes Bruce. It actually does help.  I wish we had thought of this before.  You know being idiots and all.  How stupid of us to not appreciate the sheer genius of Bochy.  Its actually pretty enlightening now that you put it that way Bruce.  Just think of the possibilities 

Let us do some pretending.  Just like you Bruce. We&#039;re going to pretend that Bochy could go back in time and work his magical genius on the 1962 and 1993 teams of Giants past.  Based on the pure brilliance of his management style we no doubt would have seen the following:

McCovey moved to left-field to clear 1b for Cepeda even though McCovey had never played left-field in his life and Cepeda was a butcher in the field. Than he would have benched McCovey in favor of Harvey Kuenn even though McCovey out OPSed him by almost 160 points. (OPS+ of 164 for strato-nerds) Oh wait. Thats what Alvin Dark did. 

He would have platooned Willie Mays with Manny Mota because Manny Mota had even more savvy veteran presence, was a gamer but most importantly never lost his hat chasing line drives given up by Jim Duffalo

Would have asked owner Horace Stoneham to trade Cepeda to St. Louis for proven winner Ray Sadecki since they already had a proven first-baseman in McCovey.

If he had the 1993 roster he would have platooned Will Clark with right-hander Todd Benzinger. Lefty rightie matchups and so forth you know. 

Bonds would have been moved down to the eight spot in the order because he could work a base on balls in front of the pitcher setting up the perfect bunt play.

Royce Clayton would have been benched in favor of Mike Benjamin because Mike Benjamin had the hot-hand once.

Matt Williams would have been shuttled back and forth between 1b, catcher, and 3b and put on a rigorous diet of Super-sized Big Macs, Milkshakes and Crisco Cream Pies.

Would have pulled Rod Beck in favor of Dave Righetti everytime Beck walked somebody if there was a left hander on deck.

Bochy would have eventually benched Will Clark in favor of J.R. Phillips because his batting average was .303 and Clark&#039;s was only .283

So what is your point Jenkins? That you don&#039;t need to pay attention to what actually takes place on the field?  That you can just call people idiots, because they don&#039;t like the bureaucratic good ole&#039; boy style of  &quot;easty-interview-bruce&quot;  without offering anything more succinct than one of the stupidest rhetorical questions ever?

Tell you what Jenks. Stick to writing about tennis mom&#039;s, boys in tight shorts, and the tea and crumpet crowd in New York and stop polluting the baseball atmosphere with your ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenkins is actually pretty funny&#8230;or would be pretty funny if folks didn&#8217;t take his smug sophistry seriously.  I think when Glenn Dickey was making references to the rampant non-professionalism during the Bonds years exhibited by his former colleagues at the Chronicle, I am pretty sure he had Jenkins at the top of the list.</p>
<p>How is anybody with a baseball IQ 5 points higher than an artichoke supposed to take this without just gaping in shock and awe at nuggets of ass-wisdom like the following defense of Bochy and promoting Bochy as manager of the year (from uncle joe&#8217;s link above):</p>
<blockquote><p> People seem to have no idea what he&#8217;s up against, but here&#8217;s a hint: Imagine Bochy with a lineup starting with Felipe Alou, Harvey Kuenn, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey and Orlando Cepeda (the 1961-62 Giants), or one anchored by Will Clark, Barry Bonds and Matt Williams (1993). Does that help at all? </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes Bruce. It actually does help.  I wish we had thought of this before.  You know being idiots and all.  How stupid of us to not appreciate the sheer genius of Bochy.  Its actually pretty enlightening now that you put it that way Bruce.  Just think of the possibilities </p>
<p>Let us do some pretending.  Just like you Bruce. We&#8217;re going to pretend that Bochy could go back in time and work his magical genius on the 1962 and 1993 teams of Giants past.  Based on the pure brilliance of his management style we no doubt would have seen the following:</p>
<p>McCovey moved to left-field to clear 1b for Cepeda even though McCovey had never played left-field in his life and Cepeda was a butcher in the field. Than he would have benched McCovey in favor of Harvey Kuenn even though McCovey out OPSed him by almost 160 points. (OPS+ of 164 for strato-nerds) Oh wait. Thats what Alvin Dark did. </p>
<p>He would have platooned Willie Mays with Manny Mota because Manny Mota had even more savvy veteran presence, was a gamer but most importantly never lost his hat chasing line drives given up by Jim Duffalo</p>
<p>Would have asked owner Horace Stoneham to trade Cepeda to St. Louis for proven winner Ray Sadecki since they already had a proven first-baseman in McCovey.</p>
<p>If he had the 1993 roster he would have platooned Will Clark with right-hander Todd Benzinger. Lefty rightie matchups and so forth you know. </p>
<p>Bonds would have been moved down to the eight spot in the order because he could work a base on balls in front of the pitcher setting up the perfect bunt play.</p>
<p>Royce Clayton would have been benched in favor of Mike Benjamin because Mike Benjamin had the hot-hand once.</p>
<p>Matt Williams would have been shuttled back and forth between 1b, catcher, and 3b and put on a rigorous diet of Super-sized Big Macs, Milkshakes and Crisco Cream Pies.</p>
<p>Would have pulled Rod Beck in favor of Dave Righetti everytime Beck walked somebody if there was a left hander on deck.</p>
<p>Bochy would have eventually benched Will Clark in favor of J.R. Phillips because his batting average was .303 and Clark&#8217;s was only .283</p>
<p>So what is your point Jenkins? That you don&#8217;t need to pay attention to what actually takes place on the field?  That you can just call people idiots, because they don&#8217;t like the bureaucratic good ole&#8217; boy style of  &#8220;easty-interview-bruce&#8221;  without offering anything more succinct than one of the stupidest rhetorical questions ever?</p>
<p>Tell you what Jenks. Stick to writing about tennis mom&#8217;s, boys in tight shorts, and the tea and crumpet crowd in New York and stop polluting the baseball atmosphere with your ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Joe Mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe Mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jenkins thinks you all are idiots

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/04/SP6F19IOHN.DTL

this fucker doesnt know shit about baseball</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jenkins thinks you all are idiots</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/04/SP6F19IOHN.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/04/SP6F19IOHN.DTL</a></p>
<p>this fucker doesnt know shit about baseball</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Joe Mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe Mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the sox are a mess...which has affected everyone on the team

and trust me...if dye wanted to stay next season for 12 mil...i would pay that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the sox are a mess&#8230;which has affected everyone on the team</p>
<p>and trust me&#8230;if dye wanted to stay next season for 12 mil&#8230;i would pay that</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serioulsy trying to advance the argument that Aaron Rowand and Randy Winn are better power hitters than Jermaine Dye?  

Thanks dood.  I needed that :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serioulsy trying to advance the argument that Aaron Rowand and Randy Winn are better power hitters than Jermaine Dye?  </p>
<p>Thanks dood.  I needed that <img src='http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: FresYES!</title>
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		<dc:creator>FresYES!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fucking A AMEN!!!!!  gosh thats all i can say....SABEAN&#039;s gotta GO!!!!!   The way he is running this team you would think he is on the Dodgers payroll!!

Thoroughly disgusted in Fresno...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fucking A AMEN!!!!!  gosh thats all i can say&#8230;.SABEAN&#8217;s gotta GO!!!!!   The way he is running this team you would think he is on the Dodgers payroll!!</p>
<p>Thoroughly disgusted in Fresno&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Rosenthal has said that Dye&#039;s &quot;complicated contract&quot; made the option on Dye&#039;s contract become a player option in the event of trade. Making it a $12 (2010) + $2million dollar decision. 
I don&#039;t know that I would get that excited about &#039;missing&#039; on a guy who has 3 less homeruns than Aaron Rowand (1 versus 4) and the same number of RBIs as Randy Winn (5) in the last month for $14 mil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Rosenthal has said that Dye&#8217;s &#8220;complicated contract&#8221; made the option on Dye&#8217;s contract become a player option in the event of trade. Making it a $12 (2010) + $2million dollar decision.<br />
I don&#8217;t know that I would get that excited about &#8216;missing&#8217; on a guy who has 3 less homeruns than Aaron Rowand (1 versus 4) and the same number of RBIs as Randy Winn (5) in the last month for $14 mil.</p>
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		<title>By: WillieMaysHayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillieMaysHayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fucking amen.

Sabean +s: Affeldt signing, Uribe signing

Sabean -s: Renteria contract (fireable by itself), the sanchez trade, handling of the young players (burying lewis, the murder of Kevin Frandsen and taking forever to play Schierholtz), not signing any of the affordable free agent hitters (adam dunn), relying on molina to hit cleanup for a 2nd year in a row even though there was entire year of evidence that it doesnt work, rowand for how many more years? ugh, this list is getting long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fucking amen.</p>
<p>Sabean +s: Affeldt signing, Uribe signing</p>
<p>Sabean -s: Renteria contract (fireable by itself), the sanchez trade, handling of the young players (burying lewis, the murder of Kevin Frandsen and taking forever to play Schierholtz), not signing any of the affordable free agent hitters (adam dunn), relying on molina to hit cleanup for a 2nd year in a row even though there was entire year of evidence that it doesnt work, rowand for how many more years? ugh, this list is getting long.</p>
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