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		<title>By: Yahoouj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yahoouj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good work about this website was done. Keep trying more - thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: John Perricone</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Perricone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon,

My email is:

john@onlybaseballmatters.com

If you can&#039;t get through, leave me yours here, and I&#039;ll get through to you that way.  I&#039;ll delete it asap, if that&#039;s an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon,</p>
<p>My email is:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:john@onlybaseballmatters.com">john@onlybaseballmatters.com</a></p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t get through, leave me yours here, and I&#8217;ll get through to you that way.  I&#8217;ll delete it asap, if that&#8217;s an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello John,

I&#039;m trying to track down your email address but I&#039;m having no luck with the one you have published on your old website.

Here&#039;s what my email would have read had it not bounced back to m:

My name is Brandon Heikoop, I run &#039;The Outsiders Look&#039;
(http://theoutsiderslook.blogspot.com) a blog dedicated to all things
baseball.

I am sending you this note to ask if you wouldn&#039;t mind answering a few questions for me regarding the San Francisco Giants. Your answers will be added on my blog as part of a series of previews.

I won&#039;t be doing so until the middle of February, but I wanted to get things
set up now rather then later.

If you don&#039;t think that you would be able to help me out with this, would
you know of any other intensive Giants blogs out there?

Thanks,
Brandon Heikoop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to track down your email address but I&#8217;m having no luck with the one you have published on your old website.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what my email would have read had it not bounced back to m:</p>
<p>My name is Brandon Heikoop, I run &#8216;The Outsiders Look&#8217;<br />
(<a href="http://theoutsiderslook.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://theoutsiderslook.blogspot.com</a>) a blog dedicated to all things<br />
baseball.</p>
<p>I am sending you this note to ask if you wouldn&#8217;t mind answering a few questions for me regarding the San Francisco Giants. Your answers will be added on my blog as part of a series of previews.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be doing so until the middle of February, but I wanted to get things<br />
set up now rather then later.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t think that you would be able to help me out with this, would<br />
you know of any other intensive Giants blogs out there?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Brandon Heikoop</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is some data from 100 runs of a simulator using Hardball Times Projections (which I think but don&#039;t know for sure are Marcel Projections) for 2009.  The Giants are projected to be right where I projected them to be between 83 and 84 wins.  A couple of big surprises, the Dodgers are projected to finish in 4th place with a below .500 record  (or course this is without Manny) and the Rockies are projected to win the NL West with 88 wins.  Could the Rockies really be that good?

http://www.replacementlevel.com/index.php/RLYW/direct/extremely_early_projected_standings#When:15:20:00Z</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some data from 100 runs of a simulator using Hardball Times Projections (which I think but don&#8217;t know for sure are Marcel Projections) for 2009.  The Giants are projected to be right where I projected them to be between 83 and 84 wins.  A couple of big surprises, the Dodgers are projected to finish in 4th place with a below .500 record  (or course this is without Manny) and the Rockies are projected to win the NL West with 88 wins.  Could the Rockies really be that good?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.replacementlevel.com/index.php/RLYW/direct/extremely_early_projected_standings#When:15:20:00Z" rel="nofollow">http://www.replacementlevel.com/index.php/RLYW/direct/extremely_early_projected_standings#When:15:20:00Z</a></p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
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		<dc:creator>El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the analysis. Good stuff.

And an apology to the site for my part in the recent unpleasantness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the analysis. Good stuff.</p>
<p>And an apology to the site for my part in the recent unpleasantness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of FanGraphs, a great site for baseball junkies, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/can-the-giants-contend&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Eric Seidman summed it up nicely on 12/29:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;If Sandoval really pulls his weight, Renteria shows that last season was a fluke, the bullpen holds fort, and the rotation meets their projections, there is no reason this team could not win the division. In the playoffs, we then are looking at a Lincecum-Cain-Unit rotation that could definitely scare some teams. A few key aspects of player performance will need to come to fruition for the team to surpass 80-wins, but it is not out of the realm of feasibility.&lt;/b&gt;

I love the Giants, and usually manage to convince myself every April that we are &quot;going all the way&quot; but I really think we&#039;ll be lucky to get 81 wins.  Too many &quot;ifs&quot; and no depth if we get hit with injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of FanGraphs, a great site for baseball junkies, <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/can-the-giants-contend" rel="nofollow">  Eric Seidman summed it up nicely on 12/29:</a></p>
<p><b>If Sandoval really pulls his weight, Renteria shows that last season was a fluke, the bullpen holds fort, and the rotation meets their projections, there is no reason this team could not win the division. In the playoffs, we then are looking at a Lincecum-Cain-Unit rotation that could definitely scare some teams. A few key aspects of player performance will need to come to fruition for the team to surpass 80-wins, but it is not out of the realm of feasibility.</b></p>
<p>I love the Giants, and usually manage to convince myself every April that we are &#8220;going all the way&#8221; but I really think we&#8217;ll be lucky to get 81 wins.  Too many &#8220;ifs&#8221; and no depth if we get hit with injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps!  The predicted run differential is 27 (652-625) not 17.  This would project to 84 wins rather then 83.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps!  The predicted run differential is 27 (652-625) not 17.  This would project to 84 wins rather then 83.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me join in the Fun.  The Following is based on performance and playing time projections from Bill James as found at fangraphs.com and defensive projections from Chone Smith as found at baseballprojection.com.

2009 Giants Rotation   Games   Innings    FIP    FipRuns 
Tim Lincecum                 34         240     2.86       76                                          
Randy Johnson               28         170     3.51       66
Matt Cain                       32         213     3.87       92
Barry Zito                      31         197     4.56     100
Jonathan Sanchez           24         132     3.63       53
Pat Misch                       13           34     4.19       16
Total                            162         986     3.68     403

2009 Giants Bullpen    Innings     FIP    FipRuns
Brian Wilson                   63       3.70       26
Bob Howry                     63       3.99       28
Jeremy Affeldt                77       4.39       38
Sergio Romo                  42       3.84       18
Keiichi Yabu                    66      4.07       30
Jack Taschner                 41      3.93       18
Alex Hinshaw                  45      4.35       22
Billy Sadler                     53      4.22       25
Merkin Valdez                 22      4.39       11
Total                            472      4.12      216

Before the effects of defense is added the above Giants pitching staff gives up 619 Runs in 1458 innings (9x162).

Please note that for Romo, Hinshaw and Valdez Marcel Data was used because there was no Bill James Data.
In addition for Valdez his projected innings was reduced from 35 to 22 to make the total innings pitched 9x162=1458.

We will get to the Giants defense last to add (or subtract) their effect on the total runs the Giants allow.  But first let&#039;s look at the Giants offense as predicted by Bill James.

2009 Giants Lineup   PlateAppearances   wOBA   wRC
Randy Winn                       648               .339    73.5
Edgar Renteria                   626               .333    68.2
Pablo Sandoval                  566               .365    76.6
Bengie Molina                    559               .320    54.7
Fred Lewis                         559               .342    65.3
Aaron Rowand                   639               .341    73.9
Travis Ishikawa                  565              .354    71.3
Emmanual Burriss              621               .302    51.6
2009 Giants Bench    PlateAppearances   wOBA   wRC
Steve Holm                        131              .337     14.5
Kevin Frandsen                  230              .316     24.5
Eugenio Velez                    261              .324     26.4
Nate Schierholtz                 190              .354     23.8
Dave Roberts                     314              .308     27.6
Pitchers                             341              .000      0.0
TOTAL                             6250                          652

Please Note that I swaped the Plate Appearances Bill James predicted for Travis Ishikawa (190) and Nate Schierholtz (565) since they both have the same projected wOBA (.354) and according to Bruce Bochy Travis Ishikawa is projected to be the Giants starting 1B while Nate Schierholtz is projected to be a backup outfielder.  In addition please note that I used Marcel&#039;s plate appearance projections for Kevin Frandsen because they showed him in a reserve role and I went with Burriss as the starter to be conservative since he is projected by Bill James to be worse offensively then the other two potential 2B starters (Frandsen and Velez).  Finally note that again to be conservative I assumed the Giants pitchers will be totally inupt on offense and contribute a Zero wOBA and thus Zero wRCs in my projected 341 PAs for them (they had 334 PAs last year and were not a Zero on offense). 
 
Before defense is accounted for Bill James projects the 2009 Giants to score 33 more runs then they give up.   652 runs scored while giving up just 619 runs.  No let&#039;s see how many runs the Giants defense is projected to save or add to the runs the Giants pitchers are projected to give up independent of defense (FIP after all is Fielding Independent Performance).

To simplify things I am going to I am going to use the RunsSaved/150Games number for all 8 starters and 1/3 of the RunsSaved/150Games number (RS/50 if you will) for all 5 bench players.  Please note that Kevin Frandsen is the only one of these that Chone does not have a defensive projection for but I am going to assume the worst for him and use Velez&#039;s projection.

Starting Player       RS/150
Bengie Molina             -1
Travis Ishikawa           0
Emmanual Burriss        4
Pablo Sadoval            -3
Edgar Renteria           -6
Fred Lewis                   1
Aaron Rowand             0
Randy Winn                 7
TOTAL                        2 
Bench Player           RS/50
Steve Holm                -3
Kevin Frandsen          -4
Eugenio Valez            -4
Nate Schierholtz          1
Dave Roberts              2
TOTAL                       -8
GRAND TOTAL           -6

Therefore being conservative (and almost exclusively because of most likely incorrectly assuming Kevin Frandsen will be as bad on defense as Eugenio Valez) the Giants Defense above is projected to give up an additionl 6 runs on top what the Giants Pitchers are projected to give up.  This increases the runs the Giants are projected to allow in 2009 from 619 to 625.

Net of all this projecting is that Bill James&#039; Offense and Pitching Projections combined with Chone Smith&#039;s Defensive Projections project the 2009 Giants to score 652 Runs while giving up 625.  This 17 Run advantage should project to an 83 Win season for our beloved Giants.  With a little luck they could do better and thus actually compete for the NL West Title inspite of all the nay sayers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me join in the Fun.  The Following is based on performance and playing time projections from Bill James as found at fangraphs.com and defensive projections from Chone Smith as found at baseballprojection.com.</p>
<p>2009 Giants Rotation   Games   Innings    FIP    FipRuns<br />
Tim Lincecum                 34         240     2.86       76<br />
Randy Johnson               28         170     3.51       66<br />
Matt Cain                       32         213     3.87       92<br />
Barry Zito                      31         197     4.56     100<br />
Jonathan Sanchez           24         132     3.63       53<br />
Pat Misch                       13           34     4.19       16<br />
Total                            162         986     3.68     403</p>
<p>2009 Giants Bullpen    Innings     FIP    FipRuns<br />
Brian Wilson                   63       3.70       26<br />
Bob Howry                     63       3.99       28<br />
Jeremy Affeldt                77       4.39       38<br />
Sergio Romo                  42       3.84       18<br />
Keiichi Yabu                    66      4.07       30<br />
Jack Taschner                 41      3.93       18<br />
Alex Hinshaw                  45      4.35       22<br />
Billy Sadler                     53      4.22       25<br />
Merkin Valdez                 22      4.39       11<br />
Total                            472      4.12      216</p>
<p>Before the effects of defense is added the above Giants pitching staff gives up 619 Runs in 1458 innings (9&#215;162).</p>
<p>Please note that for Romo, Hinshaw and Valdez Marcel Data was used because there was no Bill James Data.<br />
In addition for Valdez his projected innings was reduced from 35 to 22 to make the total innings pitched 9&#215;162=1458.</p>
<p>We will get to the Giants defense last to add (or subtract) their effect on the total runs the Giants allow.  But first let&#8217;s look at the Giants offense as predicted by Bill James.</p>
<p>2009 Giants Lineup   PlateAppearances   wOBA   wRC<br />
Randy Winn                       648               .339    73.5<br />
Edgar Renteria                   626               .333    68.2<br />
Pablo Sandoval                  566               .365    76.6<br />
Bengie Molina                    559               .320    54.7<br />
Fred Lewis                         559               .342    65.3<br />
Aaron Rowand                   639               .341    73.9<br />
Travis Ishikawa                  565              .354    71.3<br />
Emmanual Burriss              621               .302    51.6<br />
2009 Giants Bench    PlateAppearances   wOBA   wRC<br />
Steve Holm                        131              .337     14.5<br />
Kevin Frandsen                  230              .316     24.5<br />
Eugenio Velez                    261              .324     26.4<br />
Nate Schierholtz                 190              .354     23.8<br />
Dave Roberts                     314              .308     27.6<br />
Pitchers                             341              .000      0.0<br />
TOTAL                             6250                          652</p>
<p>Please Note that I swaped the Plate Appearances Bill James predicted for Travis Ishikawa (190) and Nate Schierholtz (565) since they both have the same projected wOBA (.354) and according to Bruce Bochy Travis Ishikawa is projected to be the Giants starting 1B while Nate Schierholtz is projected to be a backup outfielder.  In addition please note that I used Marcel&#8217;s plate appearance projections for Kevin Frandsen because they showed him in a reserve role and I went with Burriss as the starter to be conservative since he is projected by Bill James to be worse offensively then the other two potential 2B starters (Frandsen and Velez).  Finally note that again to be conservative I assumed the Giants pitchers will be totally inupt on offense and contribute a Zero wOBA and thus Zero wRCs in my projected 341 PAs for them (they had 334 PAs last year and were not a Zero on offense). </p>
<p>Before defense is accounted for Bill James projects the 2009 Giants to score 33 more runs then they give up.   652 runs scored while giving up just 619 runs.  No let&#8217;s see how many runs the Giants defense is projected to save or add to the runs the Giants pitchers are projected to give up independent of defense (FIP after all is Fielding Independent Performance).</p>
<p>To simplify things I am going to I am going to use the RunsSaved/150Games number for all 8 starters and 1/3 of the RunsSaved/150Games number (RS/50 if you will) for all 5 bench players.  Please note that Kevin Frandsen is the only one of these that Chone does not have a defensive projection for but I am going to assume the worst for him and use Velez&#8217;s projection.</p>
<p>Starting Player       RS/150<br />
Bengie Molina             -1<br />
Travis Ishikawa           0<br />
Emmanual Burriss        4<br />
Pablo Sadoval            -3<br />
Edgar Renteria           -6<br />
Fred Lewis                   1<br />
Aaron Rowand             0<br />
Randy Winn                 7<br />
TOTAL                        2<br />
Bench Player           RS/50<br />
Steve Holm                -3<br />
Kevin Frandsen          -4<br />
Eugenio Valez            -4<br />
Nate Schierholtz          1<br />
Dave Roberts              2<br />
TOTAL                       -8<br />
GRAND TOTAL           -6</p>
<p>Therefore being conservative (and almost exclusively because of most likely incorrectly assuming Kevin Frandsen will be as bad on defense as Eugenio Valez) the Giants Defense above is projected to give up an additionl 6 runs on top what the Giants Pitchers are projected to give up.  This increases the runs the Giants are projected to allow in 2009 from 619 to 625.</p>
<p>Net of all this projecting is that Bill James&#8217; Offense and Pitching Projections combined with Chone Smith&#8217;s Defensive Projections project the 2009 Giants to score 652 Runs while giving up 625.  This 17 Run advantage should project to an 83 Win season for our beloved Giants.  With a little luck they could do better and thus actually compete for the NL West Title inspite of all the nay sayers here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Burrell deal surprised me.  But TB has the DH option, and he&#039;s a perfect fit for that.  Weak fielding doesn&#039;t hurt good-hitting teams so much--the Phils had more than enough bats to compensate for guys like Burrell and Howard (both great hitters, of course), plus they had a world-class fielder like Utley and solid defenders like Rollins and Victorino and Feliz.  Balance, in other words.  This is why I don&#039;t like the FAs out there--we aren&#039;t close enough.  One bat (even Ramirez!) won&#039;t do it.  My new drug is &quot;growing the youngsters&quot; and I&#039;m ready to start mainlining!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Burrell deal surprised me.  But TB has the DH option, and he&#8217;s a perfect fit for that.  Weak fielding doesn&#8217;t hurt good-hitting teams so much&#8211;the Phils had more than enough bats to compensate for guys like Burrell and Howard (both great hitters, of course), plus they had a world-class fielder like Utley and solid defenders like Rollins and Victorino and Feliz.  Balance, in other words.  This is why I don&#8217;t like the FAs out there&#8211;we aren&#8217;t close enough.  One bat (even Ramirez!) won&#8217;t do it.  My new drug is &#8220;growing the youngsters&#8221; and I&#8217;m ready to start mainlining!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, it&#039;s been pretty harsh here. Hopefully spring training will calm that down some.

Pinto&#039;s overall point is good, although I&#039;m wondering why he put Ryan Rohlinger and Dave Roberts into that starting lineup and why he used the Marcels for players without a lot of major league time (Marcels only account for MLB play time, so you need a few years before they&#039;re really good for a player). Then again, the best lineup I could come up with using his Lineup Analysis tool only yielded ~4.4 runs per game (I mostly used the most pessimistic, and in my opinion, realistic, projections I could find, fyi).

So yeah, things have to break well for the team this season, and with the high probability of ManRam re-signing with the Dodgers, I really can&#039;t peg the Giants as the NL West favorites. I&#039;m still looking forward to next season though... can&#039;t come soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, it&#8217;s been pretty harsh here. Hopefully spring training will calm that down some.</p>
<p>Pinto&#8217;s overall point is good, although I&#8217;m wondering why he put Ryan Rohlinger and Dave Roberts into that starting lineup and why he used the Marcels for players without a lot of major league time (Marcels only account for MLB play time, so you need a few years before they&#8217;re really good for a player). Then again, the best lineup I could come up with using his Lineup Analysis tool only yielded ~4.4 runs per game (I mostly used the most pessimistic, and in my opinion, realistic, projections I could find, fyi).</p>
<p>So yeah, things have to break well for the team this season, and with the high probability of ManRam re-signing with the Dodgers, I really can&#8217;t peg the Giants as the NL West favorites. I&#8217;m still looking forward to next season though&#8230; can&#8217;t come soon enough.</p>
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