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		<title>By: A Rebuttal</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Rebuttal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Because the money keeps rolling in and the suckers by a 70/30 margin continue to patronize the “ballpark and garlic fries experience of Pier 39 south.

Fools.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah. Those of us who like the roster as a step in the right direction are doing so only for the garlic fries. There haven&#039;t been hundreds of thousands of words of discussion about the roster over on McCovey Chronicles. We just love them fries.

Oh, and I noticed that within your rant, there wasn&#039;t one solution presented. There wasn&#039;t a &quot;sign Manny&quot; or &quot;sign Texiera&quot; nor was there a &quot;trade for this player.&quot; You&#039;re an angry, petulant child who wants things now, now, now, now. The Giants have decided to build through the farm system, and they&#039;ve done a good job so far. They have one of the top farm systems in the game. But because Sabean doesn&#039;t fart quality position players ready to step in the lineup, nor is he willing to tie up the payroll for years to come in order to get a player of limited value, he&#039;s obviously failing. Not because he isn&#039;t doing what you want (because if you knew who you wanted, you would have said so) but because the roster isn&#039;t filled with free agents and trade targets who fit with the rebuilding plan. The fact that those players don&#039;t exist is a minor point, but don&#039;t let that stop you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Because the money keeps rolling in and the suckers by a 70/30 margin continue to patronize the “ballpark and garlic fries experience of Pier 39 south.</p>
<p>Fools.</i></p>
<p>Yeah. Those of us who like the roster as a step in the right direction are doing so only for the garlic fries. There haven&#8217;t been hundreds of thousands of words of discussion about the roster over on McCovey Chronicles. We just love them fries.</p>
<p>Oh, and I noticed that within your rant, there wasn&#8217;t one solution presented. There wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;sign Manny&#8221; or &#8220;sign Texiera&#8221; nor was there a &#8220;trade for this player.&#8221; You&#8217;re an angry, petulant child who wants things now, now, now, now. The Giants have decided to build through the farm system, and they&#8217;ve done a good job so far. They have one of the top farm systems in the game. But because Sabean doesn&#8217;t fart quality position players ready to step in the lineup, nor is he willing to tie up the payroll for years to come in order to get a player of limited value, he&#8217;s obviously failing. Not because he isn&#8217;t doing what you want (because if you knew who you wanted, you would have said so) but because the roster isn&#8217;t filled with free agents and trade targets who fit with the rebuilding plan. The fact that those players don&#8217;t exist is a minor point, but don&#8217;t let that stop you.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sabean was back on the radio with Tolbert and Barbieri Wednesday night.  Not since Baribieri was hounding Sabean about Benitez has Sabean sounded so sullen, contentious and just flat out antagonistic.   Sabean and his apologists keep insisting they are on the right track.  Since 2004. Four consecutive losing seasons with apparently, a fifth about to kick off if the lack of lineup improvements is not remedied, which according to Sabean, there appears little likelihood of.  In the very subpar NL West. Which consists of the Giants, Dodgers, and three expansion teams since O&#039;malley and Stoneham moved west in 58. The Giants have not had 5 consecutive losing seasons, and only suffered through 4 from 1974 through 1977 (finishing one game under .500 in &#039;75.

Here is the starting lineup for the sad sack Giants of 1977 that finished at 75 and 87...a miserable 12 games under .500

Manager:  Joe Altobelli.   Nice company don&#039;t rock the boat yes man.

Thomasson cf                 
Andrews 2b                 
Madlock 3b                   
Evans lf                     
McCovey 1b                    
Whitfield rf                  
Speier ss                     
Hill c                        
Montefusco p                

One might look at those name through rose colored glasses and go &quot;hmmm, not too bad.&quot;  Until one looks at the record.

The franchise is a disgrace. Aside from the ballpark for architecture students, and Tim Lincecum for afficianado&#039;s of dwarf flame throwers, there is nothing to see.  This is the worst era in San Francisco Giants history.  At least when the last bunch of losers Stoneham/Lurie put out, had Candlestick and piss poor attendance to blame as a contributing cause.  No such excuse exists anymore. Just ineptness. Arrogance. Greed. Cynicism, come to mind as well.

Here was the Giants lineup on opening day in 2005.

Manager. Felipe Alou

Durham 2b                    
Vizquel ss                  
Snow 1b                      
Alou rf,lf                   
Feliz lf                      
Alfonzo 3b                   
Grissom cf                   
Matheny c                     
Schmidt p                     
 
These clowns finished 75W and 87L.  It took a last minute surge provided by a crippled Barry Bonds to get them to 12 games under .500 for the season. To put them on a par with the 1977 Giants.  Swell.

This year&#039;s projected lineup. 

Mgr. Bruce Bochy   Nice company yes man. 

Winn
Renteria
Sandoval
Molina
Ishikawa/Bowker/Aurilia
Rowand
Lewis/Shierholz/
Burris/Frandsen/Velez
Lincecum

At least the Giants have Zito and Dave Roberts.  This is a team that is little changed from last years 72-90 debacle.  A debacle only less disastrous due to Tim Lincecum&#039;s Cy Young performance of 18-5, a record tarnished by 6 blown saves incidentally.

And the fools over at McCoveys Chronicles by a 70/30 margin like the Giants roster as it is currently made up.  I think these must be the same people who think the AIG bailout is a good thing. Anybody that thinks the addition of Josh Phelps, Edgar Rentaria, and a couple of 30 something ham n egger middle relievers is going to make this team interesting, never mind competitive, is only kidding themselves.

Whats worse, is there is no plan. There is not even wishful thinking emanating from the front office. Only in-your-face, take it or leave it antagonism from NY Yankee fugitive Sabean. 

Go back to Maine or New Hampshire or whatever little dump of a burg you came from Saean.  Your bad manners and contempt for followers of the Giants has played itself out.  This asshat is MLB&#039;s version of Joe Thomas and Al Davis rolled into one.  At least the greedy and senile Davis provided his gullible fans a couple of Superbowl wins before he finally ran the franchise into the ground. And Eddie Debartolo had the good sense to rid himself of the crackpot crank, Thomas at the end of the 1977 season and replace him with Bill Walsh.

But what we get is more Alous, Bochy&#039;s, Sabean&#039;s Zitos, Roberts, Winns, Rentaria&#039;s, Alfonsos, Righetti&#039;s, Benitiez, Pyrshitshkis, and ad nauseum.  Nobody is held accountable. Nobody.  Because the money keeps rolling in and the suckers by a 70/30 margin continue to patronize the &quot;ballpark and garlic fries experience of Pier 39 south.  

Fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabean was back on the radio with Tolbert and Barbieri Wednesday night.  Not since Baribieri was hounding Sabean about Benitez has Sabean sounded so sullen, contentious and just flat out antagonistic.   Sabean and his apologists keep insisting they are on the right track.  Since 2004. Four consecutive losing seasons with apparently, a fifth about to kick off if the lack of lineup improvements is not remedied, which according to Sabean, there appears little likelihood of.  In the very subpar NL West. Which consists of the Giants, Dodgers, and three expansion teams since O&#8217;malley and Stoneham moved west in 58. The Giants have not had 5 consecutive losing seasons, and only suffered through 4 from 1974 through 1977 (finishing one game under .500 in &#8217;75.</p>
<p>Here is the starting lineup for the sad sack Giants of 1977 that finished at 75 and 87&#8230;a miserable 12 games under .500</p>
<p>Manager:  Joe Altobelli.   Nice company don&#8217;t rock the boat yes man.</p>
<p>Thomasson cf<br />
Andrews 2b<br />
Madlock 3b<br />
Evans lf<br />
McCovey 1b<br />
Whitfield rf<br />
Speier ss<br />
Hill c<br />
Montefusco p                </p>
<p>One might look at those name through rose colored glasses and go &#8220;hmmm, not too bad.&#8221;  Until one looks at the record.</p>
<p>The franchise is a disgrace. Aside from the ballpark for architecture students, and Tim Lincecum for afficianado&#8217;s of dwarf flame throwers, there is nothing to see.  This is the worst era in San Francisco Giants history.  At least when the last bunch of losers Stoneham/Lurie put out, had Candlestick and piss poor attendance to blame as a contributing cause.  No such excuse exists anymore. Just ineptness. Arrogance. Greed. Cynicism, come to mind as well.</p>
<p>Here was the Giants lineup on opening day in 2005.</p>
<p>Manager. Felipe Alou</p>
<p>Durham 2b<br />
Vizquel ss<br />
Snow 1b<br />
Alou rf,lf<br />
Feliz lf<br />
Alfonzo 3b<br />
Grissom cf<br />
Matheny c<br />
Schmidt p                     </p>
<p>These clowns finished 75W and 87L.  It took a last minute surge provided by a crippled Barry Bonds to get them to 12 games under .500 for the season. To put them on a par with the 1977 Giants.  Swell.</p>
<p>This year&#8217;s projected lineup. </p>
<p>Mgr. Bruce Bochy   Nice company yes man. </p>
<p>Winn<br />
Renteria<br />
Sandoval<br />
Molina<br />
Ishikawa/Bowker/Aurilia<br />
Rowand<br />
Lewis/Shierholz/<br />
Burris/Frandsen/Velez<br />
Lincecum</p>
<p>At least the Giants have Zito and Dave Roberts.  This is a team that is little changed from last years 72-90 debacle.  A debacle only less disastrous due to Tim Lincecum&#8217;s Cy Young performance of 18-5, a record tarnished by 6 blown saves incidentally.</p>
<p>And the fools over at McCoveys Chronicles by a 70/30 margin like the Giants roster as it is currently made up.  I think these must be the same people who think the AIG bailout is a good thing. Anybody that thinks the addition of Josh Phelps, Edgar Rentaria, and a couple of 30 something ham n egger middle relievers is going to make this team interesting, never mind competitive, is only kidding themselves.</p>
<p>Whats worse, is there is no plan. There is not even wishful thinking emanating from the front office. Only in-your-face, take it or leave it antagonism from NY Yankee fugitive Sabean. </p>
<p>Go back to Maine or New Hampshire or whatever little dump of a burg you came from Saean.  Your bad manners and contempt for followers of the Giants has played itself out.  This asshat is MLB&#8217;s version of Joe Thomas and Al Davis rolled into one.  At least the greedy and senile Davis provided his gullible fans a couple of Superbowl wins before he finally ran the franchise into the ground. And Eddie Debartolo had the good sense to rid himself of the crackpot crank, Thomas at the end of the 1977 season and replace him with Bill Walsh.</p>
<p>But what we get is more Alous, Bochy&#8217;s, Sabean&#8217;s Zitos, Roberts, Winns, Rentaria&#8217;s, Alfonsos, Righetti&#8217;s, Benitiez, Pyrshitshkis, and ad nauseum.  Nobody is held accountable. Nobody.  Because the money keeps rolling in and the suckers by a 70/30 margin continue to patronize the &#8220;ballpark and garlic fries experience of Pier 39 south.  </p>
<p>Fools.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sabean has definitely kicked off the FA period on the wrong foot</description>
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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Neukom in the midst of this?  It seems that Sabean and Magowan were joined at the hip.  With the neu-fella taking over, I expected a bit of a shake-up, which in the MLB means Manager &amp; GM.  Alas, no such luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Neukom in the midst of this?  It seems that Sabean and Magowan were joined at the hip.  With the neu-fella taking over, I expected a bit of a shake-up, which in the MLB means Manager &amp; GM.  Alas, no such luck.</p>
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