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		<title>By: Gas</title>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anger is good.

&quot;I read the article and the guy really has no argument. He just rambles on about how the Giants have screwed up so many times before. Nothing but an angry Giants fan.&quot;

Typical little bitch-hissing from the opera singers, art students and convenience store clerks who don&#039;t know shit about shit, but are compelled to spittle all over a blogsite when their pseudo-intellectual smugness gets crushed by somebody who actually knows what he is talking about, and has the actual cojones to hit the jackasses who run the Giants over the head when they try to bullshit the public.  

The Giants are actually pretty good punching bags and provide a target-rich environment for ridicule, humiliation, and disparagement in general.  But they are not alone, and only make up 20 percent of the long playing professional sports farce consisting of themselves, the Warriors, Raiders, A&#039;s and Niners.  

There is no sanity when it comes to the Giants front office or the jerk-off opinionators in the blog-o-smear, and the kiss asses who comment on their blogs .

But alas, I digress.

Most of the Giants sycophantic followers, blog trolls, season-ticket losers, and stat skanks, have become so brain numbed by the putridity of the Giants, they can actually look at guys like Winn, Rowand, Roberts, Howry, and now the broken down lost 2 steps Pedro Feliz Edgardo Alfonso Ray Durham replacement, formerly known as Edgar Rentaria and see &quot;positive movement and a step in the right direction&quot;. Sabean&#039;s comments defending his latest acquisitions are just retarded.  He should just shut up and stop reminding people how much of a lobotomy candidate he really is.

Signing Howry and Rentaria is more of the same maggot infested roster stuffing that Sabean and his crack team of 19th century statisticians indulge in every off-season.  The trouble with the Giants owners is they subscribe to the imbecilic notion that spending money on pseudo-talent that has &quot;Q&quot; rating and trying to pimp it off as a &quot;ballpark experience&quot; is &quot;good baseball&quot;.  Fucking retards. Its not even good marketing. Hell, its not even good bullshit anymore. 

Any ball club that has to promote fill-in outfielders, like Rowand, Winn and Roberts and a washed up Nancy-boy, skirt wearing, poo-flinging Barry Zito as &quot;stars&quot; is a fucking embarrassment.  Fuckers.  I wouldn&#039;t take a hundred bucks to sit through 3 hours of that kind of torture in cramped seats with quiche eating skirt lifters, trying not to puke from the stench of the shit garlic potatoes that smell like the old rendering plants further south on third street,  much less pay for the privilege.

Frankly, I am more interested in the outcome of the Bonds Witch Trials than I am of the 2009 Giants season. There is certainly more talent involved, not to mention passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anger is good.</p>
<p>&#8220;I read the article and the guy really has no argument. He just rambles on about how the Giants have screwed up so many times before. Nothing but an angry Giants fan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Typical little bitch-hissing from the opera singers, art students and convenience store clerks who don&#8217;t know shit about shit, but are compelled to spittle all over a blogsite when their pseudo-intellectual smugness gets crushed by somebody who actually knows what he is talking about, and has the actual cojones to hit the jackasses who run the Giants over the head when they try to bullshit the public.  </p>
<p>The Giants are actually pretty good punching bags and provide a target-rich environment for ridicule, humiliation, and disparagement in general.  But they are not alone, and only make up 20 percent of the long playing professional sports farce consisting of themselves, the Warriors, Raiders, A&#8217;s and Niners.  </p>
<p>There is no sanity when it comes to the Giants front office or the jerk-off opinionators in the blog-o-smear, and the kiss asses who comment on their blogs .</p>
<p>But alas, I digress.</p>
<p>Most of the Giants sycophantic followers, blog trolls, season-ticket losers, and stat skanks, have become so brain numbed by the putridity of the Giants, they can actually look at guys like Winn, Rowand, Roberts, Howry, and now the broken down lost 2 steps Pedro Feliz Edgardo Alfonso Ray Durham replacement, formerly known as Edgar Rentaria and see &#8220;positive movement and a step in the right direction&#8221;. Sabean&#8217;s comments defending his latest acquisitions are just retarded.  He should just shut up and stop reminding people how much of a lobotomy candidate he really is.</p>
<p>Signing Howry and Rentaria is more of the same maggot infested roster stuffing that Sabean and his crack team of 19th century statisticians indulge in every off-season.  The trouble with the Giants owners is they subscribe to the imbecilic notion that spending money on pseudo-talent that has &#8220;Q&#8221; rating and trying to pimp it off as a &#8220;ballpark experience&#8221; is &#8220;good baseball&#8221;.  Fucking retards. Its not even good marketing. Hell, its not even good bullshit anymore. </p>
<p>Any ball club that has to promote fill-in outfielders, like Rowand, Winn and Roberts and a washed up Nancy-boy, skirt wearing, poo-flinging Barry Zito as &#8220;stars&#8221; is a fucking embarrassment.  Fuckers.  I wouldn&#8217;t take a hundred bucks to sit through 3 hours of that kind of torture in cramped seats with quiche eating skirt lifters, trying not to puke from the stench of the shit garlic potatoes that smell like the old rendering plants further south on third street,  much less pay for the privilege.</p>
<p>Frankly, I am more interested in the outcome of the Bonds Witch Trials than I am of the 2009 Giants season. There is certainly more talent involved, not to mention passion.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ment to say going for it in 2009 and 2010 without risking 2011 and beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ment to say going for it in 2009 and 2010 without risking 2011 and beyond.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Don&#039;t See Renteria as just a stop gap.  I see him as a significat offensive upgrade at SS while still being league average (as his UZR stats on fangraphs shows) on defense.  I see him as an import piece of the puzzle of taking advantage of how much the rest of the NL West has gotten even worse and thus going for it in 2009 without risking 2010 and beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Don&#8217;t See Renteria as just a stop gap.  I see him as a significat offensive upgrade at SS while still being league average (as his UZR stats on fangraphs shows) on defense.  I see him as an import piece of the puzzle of taking advantage of how much the rest of the NL West has gotten even worse and thus going for it in 2009 without risking 2010 and beyond.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Joe Mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe Mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark

you dont pay 9 million per for a stopgap....you get a servicable journeyman for half the price

or you stay with omar for 2 mil per...and he mentors the kids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark</p>
<p>you dont pay 9 million per for a stopgap&#8230;.you get a servicable journeyman for half the price</p>
<p>or you stay with omar for 2 mil per&#8230;and he mentors the kids</p>
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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Dan Szymborski at BTF (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/giants_signed_renteria/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;) sums it up pretty well, and he&#039;s certainly no Sabean apologist.  I think this may turn out to be a tempest in a teapot.  Renteria is a short-term stopgap.  We have a black hole at SS and we&#039;ve plugged it, albeit inelegantly.  Far more important to me--will we sign Tim Lincecum to a long-term deal (something like what Dustin Pedroia and the Sox did)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Dan Szymborski at BTF (<a href="http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/giants_signed_renteria/" rel="nofollow">link</a>) sums it up pretty well, and he&#8217;s certainly no Sabean apologist.  I think this may turn out to be a tempest in a teapot.  Renteria is a short-term stopgap.  We have a black hole at SS and we&#8217;ve plugged it, albeit inelegantly.  Far more important to me&#8211;will we sign Tim Lincecum to a long-term deal (something like what Dustin Pedroia and the Sox did)?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Joe Mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe Mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>giantsrainman 

you are just plain nuts

this team is not gonna compete next season...no way, no how</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>giantsrainman </p>
<p>you are just plain nuts</p>
<p>this team is not gonna compete next season&#8230;no way, no how</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeruns are just not the end all be all you make them out to be.  They are an answer to the Giants offensive woos but not the only answer.  All of the forecast systems are showing the Giants offense greatly improved from last year with Renteria at SS and Sandoval full time at either 1B or 3B.  A an true middle of the order bat to play the other corner and the forecast systems would see the Giants offense as being league average and maybe even a little better.

P.S.  You are way too focused on the basic stats Renteria and Howry put up last year.  If you look at the stats that are actually more predictive (K/BB ratio and line drive percentage) you see that these players are actually still the same players they have always been they were just unlucky in 2008.  Only old school thinkers that focus almost exclusively on ERA for pitchers and batting average for hitters agree with you.

As for the quoted scout he probalbly just say Renteria in the first half before he got back in shape and allowed his opinion to be set then.  Sabean has changed his ways.  He did a much more careful and complete evaluation of these players then you show any willingness to even consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeruns are just not the end all be all you make them out to be.  They are an answer to the Giants offensive woos but not the only answer.  All of the forecast systems are showing the Giants offense greatly improved from last year with Renteria at SS and Sandoval full time at either 1B or 3B.  A an true middle of the order bat to play the other corner and the forecast systems would see the Giants offense as being league average and maybe even a little better.</p>
<p>P.S.  You are way too focused on the basic stats Renteria and Howry put up last year.  If you look at the stats that are actually more predictive (K/BB ratio and line drive percentage) you see that these players are actually still the same players they have always been they were just unlucky in 2008.  Only old school thinkers that focus almost exclusively on ERA for pitchers and batting average for hitters agree with you.</p>
<p>As for the quoted scout he probalbly just say Renteria in the first half before he got back in shape and allowed his opinion to be set then.  Sabean has changed his ways.  He did a much more careful and complete evaluation of these players then you show any willingness to even consider.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you there, I can&#039;t see how improved this lineup is.  Our top guy hit 16 home runs last season, a number that would represent a career-high for Renteria.  Or maybe what I can&#039;t see is how $9 million is considered a base salary for a league-average player.  Or how landing CC would make much of a difference for a team that was the worst offense in the whole world.

THIS TEAM NEEDS TOP QUALITY BATS!!!!!

Where are they?  Who are they?  How can we afford them when we are spending an average of $10 million per season for Winn, Rowand and Renteria, three 12 home run .340 OBP, 30-something nediocrities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you there, I can&#8217;t see how improved this lineup is.  Our top guy hit 16 home runs last season, a number that would represent a career-high for Renteria.  Or maybe what I can&#8217;t see is how $9 million is considered a base salary for a league-average player.  Or how landing CC would make much of a difference for a team that was the worst offense in the whole world.</p>
<p>THIS TEAM NEEDS TOP QUALITY BATS!!!!!</p>
<p>Where are they?  Who are they?  How can we afford them when we are spending an average of $10 million per season for Winn, Rowand and Renteria, three 12 home run .340 OBP, 30-something nediocrities?</p>
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		<title>By: Zo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent and classy site.  I would not describe myself as &quot;angry&quot;, perhaps because of the season and the copious amounts of alcohol that come with it, but I am certainly less than convinced that this is very helpful to the Giants.  I do not know how much money they have in their pockets to spend, and I do believe that Ed Rent can improve (maybe even, is likely to improve) over his numbers last year.  I am concerned about the commentary about his defense.  If he is really on an inevitable downtrend, then his presence is not going to help the Giants young pitching staff nearly as much as has been claimed.  I agree that this is a stopgap move at best, in hopes that younger talent matures in two years.  However, I remember when the Orioles signed Miggy Tejada for $13 million per year a few years ago.  It was an overpayment, and he proved it.  I also remember the philosophy that accompanied the signing, that &quot;sometimes you have to over-pay for a free agent to entice other free agents to come.&quot;  Does Mr. Sabean subscribe to that philosophy?  Is he still smarting from being rejected by Soriano and GM Jr.?  I am of the opinion that Zito&#039;s contract was partly to make a splash, to show that the Giants could win in a free agent war (whoooo, boy, did they ever!).  There is some sense to this direction, a player with big offensive numbers does not want to come to SF and get the Bonds treatment - a record number of IBB&#039;s.  So you have to have hitters to attract hitters.  Maybe it is a step-by-step process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent and classy site.  I would not describe myself as &#8220;angry&#8221;, perhaps because of the season and the copious amounts of alcohol that come with it, but I am certainly less than convinced that this is very helpful to the Giants.  I do not know how much money they have in their pockets to spend, and I do believe that Ed Rent can improve (maybe even, is likely to improve) over his numbers last year.  I am concerned about the commentary about his defense.  If he is really on an inevitable downtrend, then his presence is not going to help the Giants young pitching staff nearly as much as has been claimed.  I agree that this is a stopgap move at best, in hopes that younger talent matures in two years.  However, I remember when the Orioles signed Miggy Tejada for $13 million per year a few years ago.  It was an overpayment, and he proved it.  I also remember the philosophy that accompanied the signing, that &#8220;sometimes you have to over-pay for a free agent to entice other free agents to come.&#8221;  Does Mr. Sabean subscribe to that philosophy?  Is he still smarting from being rejected by Soriano and GM Jr.?  I am of the opinion that Zito&#8217;s contract was partly to make a splash, to show that the Giants could win in a free agent war (whoooo, boy, did they ever!).  There is some sense to this direction, a player with big offensive numbers does not want to come to SF and get the Bonds treatment &#8211; a record number of IBB&#8217;s.  So you have to have hitters to attract hitters.  Maybe it is a step-by-step process.</p>
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