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		<title>By: war front plus trainers</title>
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		<dc:creator>war front plus trainers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 11:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of commenting on it, I thought I??d share it with everyone: John: I rarely if ever cross post. Buthttp://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/31/sixth/Exeter/Hampton area community calendar Hampton Union Exetern NAM LE, 2007 GEORGE BENNETT FELLOW, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so it begins...  Cain goes 5 2/3 innings without allowing a run and of course gets no support.  Taschner did a great job of bailing him out, so perhaps the bullpen will be good enough for the Giants to lose more 1 run games than any other team in history.  I sincerely hope two straight seasons of this doesn&#039;t mess with Cain&#039;s head too much... it could turn him into a nibler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so it begins&#8230;  Cain goes 5 2/3 innings without allowing a run and of course gets no support.  Taschner did a great job of bailing him out, so perhaps the bullpen will be good enough for the Giants to lose more 1 run games than any other team in history.  I sincerely hope two straight seasons of this doesn&#8217;t mess with Cain&#8217;s head too much&#8230; it could turn him into a nibler.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Durham may be a complete statue in the field, as he showed again in the 9th inning last night, but he is the only hitter in that damn line-up that seems to have a plan or a clue on how to work a count.  

But yeah, this is going to be Tiger&#039;s 43-119 bad.  Save us Timmy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durham may be a complete statue in the field, as he showed again in the 9th inning last night, but he is the only hitter in that damn line-up that seems to have a plan or a clue on how to work a count.  </p>
<p>But yeah, this is going to be Tiger&#8217;s 43-119 bad.  Save us Timmy!</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
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		<dc:creator>El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was on the BP subscription site.
Couldn&#039;t agree more with Joe.

Prospectus Today
A Cruel, Cruel Summer

by Joe Sheehan

&lt;i&gt;Yesterday, the Giants played their first game without owning the rights to Barry Bonds since 1992. If it was any indication of the next 161, it’s going to be a very long summer for their remaining fans. Take a peek at their Opening Day lineup—the day for putting your best foot forward into the new season—against the Dodgers’ Brad Penny:&lt;/i&gt;

Dave Roberts, LF
Rich Aurilia, 1B
Randy Winn, RF
Bengie Molina, C
Ray Durham, 2B
Aaron Rowand, CF
Jose Castillo, 3B
Brian Bocock, SS
Barry Zito, P

&lt;i&gt;That’s a lineup that just screams, “StubHub!” Or a weekend in Napa. Or sailing on the Bay. Anything—anything—but watching this team hit. 

Let’s see…Dave Roberts is probably the best news here, actually. He gets on base against righties (.347 career, .342 in 2007) and is an excellent basestealer by both quantity (238 career, 31 last year) and percentage (80 percent career, 86 percent last year). Rich Aurilia is miscast as a #2 hitter, as a first baseman, and as a starter against right-handers; other than that he’s not a bad player. Randy Winn hit .332 OBP/.404 SLG and .341/.404 against righties the last two years, which is slightly below par for an MLB #3 hitter. Bengie Molina’s last three SLGs against righties: .431, .389, .361. You might figure that he’s probably suboptimal as a cleanup man.&lt;i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Ray Durham was hideous last year in the first year of a two-year contract awarded following his stone fluke 2006 season. He’s actually likely to bounce back and be acceptable at the plate; unfortunately, his range at second has dwindled to the point that he’s a detriment afield. Aaron Rowand is a nice little player; on the other hand, if your big $60 million free agent signing bats sixth, isn’t that an indictment of the contract? He’s not an impact hitter, anyway. Jose Castillo was on waivers about a week ago, released by one of the five worst teams in baseball after losing his job to a guy, Jorge Cantu, who isn’t really a third baseman and who spent almost all of 2007 in the minors. Brian Bocock…I’ve beaten up Brian Bocock plenty. It’s not his fault. Barry Zito is a league-average or so starter who happened to hit the market when everyone had money to spend. It’s really not his fault, either.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The problem isn’t that this is a bad team. It’s that it’s a bad and boring team, with veterans who weren’t good enough to win when they had Bonds as a teammate, and now form a lineup that calls to mind the waning days of the Rachel Phelps Era.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;In a legitimate rebuilding, the Giants would eat the contracts of Roberts, Aurilia, Winn, and Durham.&lt;/b&gt; (Molina is miscast as a cleanup hitter, but he&#039;s not a bad player, and he’s not blocking anyone of note.) They would play Fred Lewis, Nate Schierholtz, Rajai Davis, and Eugenio Velez. It’s not like those players are anything special, either, but there’s at least some chance of upside, and you can sell inexperienced players under the guise of a youth movement. (Although of that group only Velez is actually young.) The Giants don’t have the stomach for this, however, so they have this desiccated group of role players starting.&lt;/i&gt;  

&lt;i&gt;This isn’t an effort at rebuilding. Frankly, I have no idea what it is, and I suspect the Giants front office doesn’t, either. The 2008 roster, the 2008 season, seems to be more about pretending that the 1993-2007 seasons didn’t happen than anything else, which is a ridiculous way to put together a baseball team. Do this instead:&lt;/i&gt;

Fred Lewis, LF
Eugenio Velez, 2B
Aaron Rowand, CF
Dan Ortmeier, 1B
Rajai Davis, RF
Bengie Molina, C
Jose Castillo, 3B
Brian Bocock, SS

&lt;i&gt;I’m not going to tell you that that’s a better lineup than the one Bruce Bochy started yesterday.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt;Quite frankly, &lt;b&gt;I’m astounded that a professional baseball organization could be so ill-prepared for injuries that upon losing one shortstop and one third baseman, it was left with waiver bait and a guy who was overmatched in A-ball as its best options. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;With that said, this lineup is a more watchable one, and it’s a better idea than pretending that people are coming to AT&amp;T Park to watch Rich Aurilia. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was on the BP subscription site.<br />
Couldn&#8217;t agree more with Joe.</p>
<p>Prospectus Today<br />
A Cruel, Cruel Summer</p>
<p>by Joe Sheehan</p>
<p><i>Yesterday, the Giants played their first game without owning the rights to Barry Bonds since 1992. If it was any indication of the next 161, it’s going to be a very long summer for their remaining fans. Take a peek at their Opening Day lineup—the day for putting your best foot forward into the new season—against the Dodgers’ Brad Penny:</i></p>
<p>Dave Roberts, LF<br />
Rich Aurilia, 1B<br />
Randy Winn, RF<br />
Bengie Molina, C<br />
Ray Durham, 2B<br />
Aaron Rowand, CF<br />
Jose Castillo, 3B<br />
Brian Bocock, SS<br />
Barry Zito, P</p>
<p><i>That’s a lineup that just screams, “StubHub!” Or a weekend in Napa. Or sailing on the Bay. Anything—anything—but watching this team hit. </p>
<p>Let’s see…Dave Roberts is probably the best news here, actually. He gets on base against righties (.347 career, .342 in 2007) and is an excellent basestealer by both quantity (238 career, 31 last year) and percentage (80 percent career, 86 percent last year). Rich Aurilia is miscast as a #2 hitter, as a first baseman, and as a starter against right-handers; other than that he’s not a bad player. Randy Winn hit .332 OBP/.404 SLG and .341/.404 against righties the last two years, which is slightly below par for an MLB #3 hitter. Bengie Molina’s last three SLGs against righties: .431, .389, .361. You might figure that he’s probably suboptimal as a cleanup man.</i><i></p>
<p></i><i>Ray Durham was hideous last year in the first year of a two-year contract awarded following his stone fluke 2006 season. He’s actually likely to bounce back and be acceptable at the plate; unfortunately, his range at second has dwindled to the point that he’s a detriment afield. Aaron Rowand is a nice little player; on the other hand, if your big $60 million free agent signing bats sixth, isn’t that an indictment of the contract? He’s not an impact hitter, anyway. Jose Castillo was on waivers about a week ago, released by one of the five worst teams in baseball after losing his job to a guy, Jorge Cantu, who isn’t really a third baseman and who spent almost all of 2007 in the minors. Brian Bocock…I’ve beaten up Brian Bocock plenty. It’s not his fault. Barry Zito is a league-average or so starter who happened to hit the market when everyone had money to spend. It’s really not his fault, either.</i></p>
<p><i>The problem isn’t that this is a bad team. It’s that it’s a bad and boring team, with veterans who weren’t good enough to win when they had Bonds as a teammate, and now form a lineup that calls to mind the waning days of the Rachel Phelps Era.</i> </p>
<p><i><b>In a legitimate rebuilding, the Giants would eat the contracts of Roberts, Aurilia, Winn, and Durham.</b> (Molina is miscast as a cleanup hitter, but he&#8217;s not a bad player, and he’s not blocking anyone of note.) They would play Fred Lewis, Nate Schierholtz, Rajai Davis, and Eugenio Velez. It’s not like those players are anything special, either, but there’s at least some chance of upside, and you can sell inexperienced players under the guise of a youth movement. (Although of that group only Velez is actually young.) The Giants don’t have the stomach for this, however, so they have this desiccated group of role players starting.</i>  </p>
<p><i>This isn’t an effort at rebuilding. Frankly, I have no idea what it is, and I suspect the Giants front office doesn’t, either. The 2008 roster, the 2008 season, seems to be more about pretending that the 1993-2007 seasons didn’t happen than anything else, which is a ridiculous way to put together a baseball team. Do this instead:</i></p>
<p>Fred Lewis, LF<br />
Eugenio Velez, 2B<br />
Aaron Rowand, CF<br />
Dan Ortmeier, 1B<br />
Rajai Davis, RF<br />
Bengie Molina, C<br />
Jose Castillo, 3B<br />
Brian Bocock, SS</p>
<p><i>I’m not going to tell you that that’s a better lineup than the one Bruce Bochy started yesterday.</i> </p>
<p><i>Quite frankly, <b>I’m astounded that a professional baseball organization could be so ill-prepared for injuries that upon losing one shortstop and one third baseman, it was left with waiver bait and a guy who was overmatched in A-ball as its best options. </b></i></p>
<p><i>With that said, this lineup is a more watchable one, and it’s a better idea than pretending that people are coming to AT&amp;T Park to watch Rich Aurilia. </i></p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richie hit 37 home runs from the 2-spot in 2001, you can look it up.

5 games before the Giants get their first extra base hit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richie hit 37 home runs from the 2-spot in 2001, you can look it up.</p>
<p>5 games before the Giants get their first extra base hit?</p>
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		<title>By: uncle joe mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle joe mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the only real offense and excitement comes from the kids tonite

but lo and behold, come tomorrow and bochy will pencil back in the vets and will still put rowan back in the 6 spot....cuz that lefty righty thing is working so well

and even in his prime, ritchie never batted in the 2 spot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the only real offense and excitement comes from the kids tonite</p>
<p>but lo and behold, come tomorrow and bochy will pencil back in the vets and will still put rowan back in the 6 spot&#8230;.cuz that lefty righty thing is working so well</p>
<p>and even in his prime, ritchie never batted in the 2 spot</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m watching Cain pitch and the A&#039;s in between.  Cain looks damn good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m watching Cain pitch and the A&#8217;s in between.  Cain looks damn good.</p>
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		<title>By: uncle joe mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle joe mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and bochy puts the exact same pos lineup out there tonite

fuck him

this team is gonna lose 100 games no matter what

let the grizzlies play</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and bochy puts the exact same pos lineup out there tonite</p>
<p>fuck him</p>
<p>this team is gonna lose 100 games no matter what</p>
<p>let the grizzlies play</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news to those of you worrying about getting older... apparently in San Francisco 35 is the new 23.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news to those of you worrying about getting older&#8230; apparently in San Francisco 35 is the new 23.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times can a pitcher like Matt Cain lose 1-0 or 2-1 and not have that mess with his head so bad it makes him worse?  A few years of this and both of their heads will explode or they&#039;ll be checked into a mental institution.  We might as well try to get a bunch of prospects from a team desperate for good pitchers midway through the season.  It&#039;s not like these guys are going to have any run support before 2010, and that&#039;s if we&#039;re really lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times can a pitcher like Matt Cain lose 1-0 or 2-1 and not have that mess with his head so bad it makes him worse?  A few years of this and both of their heads will explode or they&#8217;ll be checked into a mental institution.  We might as well try to get a bunch of prospects from a team desperate for good pitchers midway through the season.  It&#8217;s not like these guys are going to have any run support before 2010, and that&#8217;s if we&#8217;re really lucky.</p>
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