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		<title>By: Mark O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your point about &quot;stewardship.&quot;  Indeed, the current ownership group will not stay intact forever.  I would have given them high marks for adding &quot;value&quot; not too long ago.  But, as has been well-documented on this site, we&#039;ve watched them trash a franchise with great history and then attempt to shift the blame to Barry and who-know&#039;s-who.  Despite my irrational love of the team, this vexes me quite a bit.  I&#039;m not sure the &quot;de-humanization&quot; of the players is any worse now than in the earlier days of the game.  Capitalism, ultimately, turns everything in to a commodity.  Before Marvin Miller, players were chattel.  Free agency is certainly better for them than the reserve clause, even in our media-saturated corporation-dominated world.  Marc&#039;s point aboout &quot;oligopoly&quot; is more apt, I think.  Magowan &amp; Co. only &quot;compete&quot; against the other members of their exclusive club.  If the protected status of MLB&#039;s monopoly were removed, then perhaps competition would allow new forms of the game to emerge, and fans could chose the experience that best suited their sense of how it ought to be.  (On a personal note, I&#039;m traveling to Mexico this summer and will get to see &quot;La Liga.&quot;  I&#039;m really curious about the differences in the professional game, and what fans there expect.  And whether or not La Liga delivers that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your point about &#8220;stewardship.&#8221;  Indeed, the current ownership group will not stay intact forever.  I would have given them high marks for adding &#8220;value&#8221; not too long ago.  But, as has been well-documented on this site, we&#8217;ve watched them trash a franchise with great history and then attempt to shift the blame to Barry and who-know&#8217;s-who.  Despite my irrational love of the team, this vexes me quite a bit.  I&#8217;m not sure the &#8220;de-humanization&#8221; of the players is any worse now than in the earlier days of the game.  Capitalism, ultimately, turns everything in to a commodity.  Before Marvin Miller, players were chattel.  Free agency is certainly better for them than the reserve clause, even in our media-saturated corporation-dominated world.  Marc&#8217;s point aboout &#8220;oligopoly&#8221; is more apt, I think.  Magowan &amp; Co. only &#8220;compete&#8221; against the other members of their exclusive club.  If the protected status of MLB&#8217;s monopoly were removed, then perhaps competition would allow new forms of the game to emerge, and fans could chose the experience that best suited their sense of how it ought to be.  (On a personal note, I&#8217;m traveling to Mexico this summer and will get to see &#8220;La Liga.&#8221;  I&#8217;m really curious about the differences in the professional game, and what fans there expect.  And whether or not La Liga delivers that!)</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/28/front-page/comment-page-1/#comment-29003</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...who do we draft this season?  Next, when we have the first pick?

Giants suck.  It&#039;s Opening Day.  I&#039;m off work to celebrate.  Alex Gordon just went really deep.  I love baseball.  Giants will suck for the next X number of years.  We have Cain, Lincecum, the best two announcers in baseball, a beautiful park and a beautiful city.  Yeah, yeah, Magowan&#039;s taking advantage of those last two points and the announcers don&#039;t matter THAT much relative to the team on the field.  It&#039;s Opening Day and I&#039;m just happy.  (Actually I&#039;m really happy because my Real Betis came back and beat Barcelona 3-2 this weekend...one mid-sized Spanish soccer club is the one sports &quot;team&quot; that actually affects my moods.)  Tomorrow, I&#039;ll be pissed at the Giants...but still happy with my Betis boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;who do we draft this season?  Next, when we have the first pick?</p>
<p>Giants suck.  It&#8217;s Opening Day.  I&#8217;m off work to celebrate.  Alex Gordon just went really deep.  I love baseball.  Giants will suck for the next X number of years.  We have Cain, Lincecum, the best two announcers in baseball, a beautiful park and a beautiful city.  Yeah, yeah, Magowan&#8217;s taking advantage of those last two points and the announcers don&#8217;t matter THAT much relative to the team on the field.  It&#8217;s Opening Day and I&#8217;m just happy.  (Actually I&#8217;m really happy because my Real Betis came back and beat Barcelona 3-2 this weekend&#8230;one mid-sized Spanish soccer club is the one sports &#8220;team&#8221; that actually affects my moods.)  Tomorrow, I&#8217;ll be pissed at the Giants&#8230;but still happy with my Betis boys.</p>
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		<title>By: grega</title>
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		<dc:creator>grega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the win total will change much if Cain or Lincecum get hurt. I think Lincecum&#039;s last start will be pretty much the norm:

No runs on 4 hits, 7 strikeouts in 5 innings for a no-decision. 

Since this team cannot score runs they can&#039;t leave starters out there for more then six innings till they&#039;re forced to pinch hit. I don&#039;t expect much statistical magic from any starter.

61 wins is a good call. 64 wins would be a miracle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the win total will change much if Cain or Lincecum get hurt. I think Lincecum&#8217;s last start will be pretty much the norm:</p>
<p>No runs on 4 hits, 7 strikeouts in 5 innings for a no-decision. </p>
<p>Since this team cannot score runs they can&#8217;t leave starters out there for more then six innings till they&#8217;re forced to pinch hit. I don&#8217;t expect much statistical magic from any starter.</p>
<p>61 wins is a good call. 64 wins would be a miracle.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m predict here:

Giants, best case scenario- 70 wins
What it&#039;ll probably be- 61 wins
What it&#039;ll be if Cain or Lincecum get hurt- 55 wins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m predict here:</p>
<p>Giants, best case scenario- 70 wins<br />
What it&#8217;ll probably be- 61 wins<br />
What it&#8217;ll be if Cain or Lincecum get hurt- 55 wins</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you to a certain extent when you write MLB &quot;...would not be available to consume in the fashion with which we are familiar.&quot;  Which is from the fans standpoint. You&#039;re quite right. There would be no cathedrals built in the image of owners, named Asscom Banc Uno Park at Belkins Enron World Com Bear Stearns Yard in honor of whatever the going corporate pimp rates are at the moment.

You&#039;re correct.  Gone would be 30 dollar charges for the privilege of renting 160 sq ft worth of potholes for 4 hours.   No forking over $19.00 for flaccid hot dogs, rancid smelling fat-fried potatoes, and flat beer sloshed up in containers more suited for Jello.  No more $68.00 Field level ticket just for the privilege of having some poor stiff making minimum wage hold a sign in your face between batters to prevent you from returning to your seat.  As if this edifice had now been raised to the status of Le Grande Opera and Mario Lanza himself had been resurrected from the dead, expressly for the purpose of staging a command performance for the Royal Family of Magowan.  

You&#039;re right. There would be no amusement parks with swimming pools, water slides, patio dining, playgrounds, arcade games, sixty-dollar pizza and costumed mascots mingling amongst the crowds.  It would all be gone. At least the superfluous &quot;ballpark experience&quot; part of it.  The peripherals would vanish.  Along with the cretins on cell phones and idiots who treat players and other spectators like zoo animals.  And all that we would be left with is:  The Game. It would still be played. Players would still play. It would be dispersed to smaller venues, but they would still be playing. They would make a living doing other things. But they would still play.  And the casual spectator, (the one pandered to by owners) would go do something else.  And the hardcore baseball fan would find another team to follow.

The game has been distorted by the marketing twits, and non-baseball people, to the point of complete dehumanization of the players.  Its all about the &quot;ballpark experience&quot; now.   Well, Mr. Owner, when you hire frauds and their cronies to run you operation and throw out onto the field a collection of overage wine sipping carpetbaggers that people resent, anyway, and then follow it up with a cynical, ego maniacal  attempt at mind erasure, you&#039;re not necessary to me and thousands of others anymore.  When an owner insinuates his countentance as the face of the franchise and tries to pawn off dollar for dollar,  potentially the worst team in the history of baseball as &quot;All out, all the Time&quot;, its time for me to focus my baseball attention elsewhere.  

One thing that Magowan and others of his ilk forget. They are temporary stewards.  Owners like Stoneham go broke.  Owners like Lurie get worn out and sell.  Other owners die off.  The point being, that no owner will ever outlive the team to which he temporarily runs roughshod over.  Even Steinbrenner came to the realization that all his caterwauling for face time over the years accomplished was to make him a laughingstock.  Mr. Magowan is fast reaching that point.  If he hasn&#039;t figured it out, he only has to look down the road to the Forty Niners ownership.  All the money in the world cannot prevent somebody from making themselves a complete ass and a figure of scorn, and ridicule.  And every bit of it will be earned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you to a certain extent when you write MLB &#8220;&#8230;would not be available to consume in the fashion with which we are familiar.&#8221;  Which is from the fans standpoint. You&#8217;re quite right. There would be no cathedrals built in the image of owners, named Asscom Banc Uno Park at Belkins Enron World Com Bear Stearns Yard in honor of whatever the going corporate pimp rates are at the moment.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct.  Gone would be 30 dollar charges for the privilege of renting 160 sq ft worth of potholes for 4 hours.   No forking over $19.00 for flaccid hot dogs, rancid smelling fat-fried potatoes, and flat beer sloshed up in containers more suited for Jello.  No more $68.00 Field level ticket just for the privilege of having some poor stiff making minimum wage hold a sign in your face between batters to prevent you from returning to your seat.  As if this edifice had now been raised to the status of Le Grande Opera and Mario Lanza himself had been resurrected from the dead, expressly for the purpose of staging a command performance for the Royal Family of Magowan.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. There would be no amusement parks with swimming pools, water slides, patio dining, playgrounds, arcade games, sixty-dollar pizza and costumed mascots mingling amongst the crowds.  It would all be gone. At least the superfluous &#8220;ballpark experience&#8221; part of it.  The peripherals would vanish.  Along with the cretins on cell phones and idiots who treat players and other spectators like zoo animals.  And all that we would be left with is:  The Game. It would still be played. Players would still play. It would be dispersed to smaller venues, but they would still be playing. They would make a living doing other things. But they would still play.  And the casual spectator, (the one pandered to by owners) would go do something else.  And the hardcore baseball fan would find another team to follow.</p>
<p>The game has been distorted by the marketing twits, and non-baseball people, to the point of complete dehumanization of the players.  Its all about the &#8220;ballpark experience&#8221; now.   Well, Mr. Owner, when you hire frauds and their cronies to run you operation and throw out onto the field a collection of overage wine sipping carpetbaggers that people resent, anyway, and then follow it up with a cynical, ego maniacal  attempt at mind erasure, you&#8217;re not necessary to me and thousands of others anymore.  When an owner insinuates his countentance as the face of the franchise and tries to pawn off dollar for dollar,  potentially the worst team in the history of baseball as &#8220;All out, all the Time&#8221;, its time for me to focus my baseball attention elsewhere.  </p>
<p>One thing that Magowan and others of his ilk forget. They are temporary stewards.  Owners like Stoneham go broke.  Owners like Lurie get worn out and sell.  Other owners die off.  The point being, that no owner will ever outlive the team to which he temporarily runs roughshod over.  Even Steinbrenner came to the realization that all his caterwauling for face time over the years accomplished was to make him a laughingstock.  Mr. Magowan is fast reaching that point.  If he hasn&#8217;t figured it out, he only has to look down the road to the Forty Niners ownership.  All the money in the world cannot prevent somebody from making themselves a complete ass and a figure of scorn, and ridicule.  And every bit of it will be earned.</p>
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		<title>By: bpfastball</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpfastball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe the Opening Day lineup is going to be even that, ahem, &quot;good&quot;. 

Isn&#039;t Bocock going to be the starter at short with Omar still on the shelf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the Opening Day lineup is going to be even that, ahem, &#8220;good&#8221;. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t Bocock going to be the starter at short with Omar still on the shelf?</p>
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		<title>By: uncle joe mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle joe mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok boys and girls....here is the opening day lineup....read it and weep

C - Bengie Molina
1B - Rich Aurilia
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Omar Vizquel 
3B - Jose Castillo
LF - Dave Roberts
CF - Aaron Rowand
RF - Randy Winn

with zito on the mound</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok boys and girls&#8230;.here is the opening day lineup&#8230;.read it and weep</p>
<p>C &#8211; Bengie Molina<br />
1B &#8211; Rich Aurilia<br />
2B &#8211; Ray Durham<br />
SS &#8211; Omar Vizquel<br />
3B &#8211; Jose Castillo<br />
LF &#8211; Dave Roberts<br />
CF &#8211; Aaron Rowand<br />
RF &#8211; Randy Winn</p>
<p>with zito on the mound</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kadir Nelson&#039;s new book will make you forget about the Giants for a second and appreciate one hell of a book.  I highly recommend it, especially to those of you with young children.  I may have to buy a second copy to cut out some of the pages for prints.  Great, great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kadir Nelson&#8217;s new book will make you forget about the Giants for a second and appreciate one hell of a book.  I highly recommend it, especially to those of you with young children.  I may have to buy a second copy to cut out some of the pages for prints.  Great, great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree about the &quot;MLB would not exist&quot; argument. There is no business if there is no demand, and the stadiums and players and seats were not created by the management and ownership - they were paid for by us. We pay the $90 million is salaries, we buy the tickets, we watch the games on TV.

Baseballs&#039; problem is that it&#039;s, I guess the word would be oligopoly. The &quot;ownership&quot;, which all started so people would have a place to sit in 1876, is sitting on a goldmine, and they have no competition, no-one telling them what to do, no real market forces affecting them. What are you going to do otherwise? Go see the A&#039;s? Go to San Jose? It&#039;s all the same. The Giants will be profitable for the next 20 years if the team loses 100 games every year.

There&#039;s good ownership, there&#039;s bad ownership, but there isn&#039;t &quot;losing money&quot; ownership. MacGowan could give a shit - I sound like Joe Morgan here (god help me), but I can almost guarantee that the financial forecasts say the team we have right now is exactly what gives them the best financial return. Near as I can understand it, short of making the playoffs, it really doesn&#039;t make that much of a difference in dollars and cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree about the &#8220;MLB would not exist&#8221; argument. There is no business if there is no demand, and the stadiums and players and seats were not created by the management and ownership &#8211; they were paid for by us. We pay the $90 million is salaries, we buy the tickets, we watch the games on TV.</p>
<p>Baseballs&#8217; problem is that it&#8217;s, I guess the word would be oligopoly. The &#8220;ownership&#8221;, which all started so people would have a place to sit in 1876, is sitting on a goldmine, and they have no competition, no-one telling them what to do, no real market forces affecting them. What are you going to do otherwise? Go see the A&#8217;s? Go to San Jose? It&#8217;s all the same. The Giants will be profitable for the next 20 years if the team loses 100 games every year.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s good ownership, there&#8217;s bad ownership, but there isn&#8217;t &#8220;losing money&#8221; ownership. MacGowan could give a shit &#8211; I sound like Joe Morgan here (god help me), but I can almost guarantee that the financial forecasts say the team we have right now is exactly what gives them the best financial return. Near as I can understand it, short of making the playoffs, it really doesn&#8217;t make that much of a difference in dollars and cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark O’Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark O’Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the mendacity of &quot;the suits,&quot; they are the ones who stage professional baseball.  No &quot;suits&quot; means no Barry blasting balls into the water.  I&#039;m a fan of the game--I enjoy watching HS ball or Pony League.  But the high level of expertise, craftsmanship and performance we know as &quot;MLB&quot; would not exist, or at least, would not be available to consume, if the &quot;suits&quot; didn&#039;t package, promote and sell it.  So they are part of the deal.  Unlikeable, certainly, and often much worse, but no different from the businessmen in any other capitalist endeavor.  I&#039;m a Giants fan.  I&#039;ve come to really dislike Mr. Magowan after years of cutting him slack for buying the team, building the Park and signing Bonds.  But the current failure of leadership and the sad treatment of their iconic star spoiled it.  Nonetheless, I&#039;m a Giants fan.  Fandom--my version, at least--is irrational.  I&#039;ll always root for our guys, and by a sort of twisted extension, all that is part of that orange &amp; black SFG, even the creepy boardroom types like Baer and Magaowan!  I&#039;ll shed no tears over them, like I would for a fave ballplayer, but I&#039;ll accept them as part of the package.  These days, I&#039;m more likely to attend an NCAA game or a minor-league contest, because the &quot;ballpark experience&quot; makes me ill.  Sadly, that is not an At&amp;T monopoly--go to any MLB stadium and you&#039;ll see the same nonsense distracting us from enjoying the show:  cell phones, loud rock music, contests, big-screen TV bits, ridiculous prices, hordes of non-fans, etc.  Even the venerable Yankees are catching the wave and tearing down their magnificent park for a &quot;new and improved&quot; version.  All the posts here have been heartfelt and engaging.  I do hope you guys stick by our boys, after all, the fans always get screwed.  It comes with the territory.  We take it, then get back up off the mat and give the team our love all over again.  Besides, you&#039;ll miss Matt and Tim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the mendacity of &#8220;the suits,&#8221; they are the ones who stage professional baseball.  No &#8220;suits&#8221; means no Barry blasting balls into the water.  I&#8217;m a fan of the game&#8211;I enjoy watching HS ball or Pony League.  But the high level of expertise, craftsmanship and performance we know as &#8220;MLB&#8221; would not exist, or at least, would not be available to consume, if the &#8220;suits&#8221; didn&#8217;t package, promote and sell it.  So they are part of the deal.  Unlikeable, certainly, and often much worse, but no different from the businessmen in any other capitalist endeavor.  I&#8217;m a Giants fan.  I&#8217;ve come to really dislike Mr. Magowan after years of cutting him slack for buying the team, building the Park and signing Bonds.  But the current failure of leadership and the sad treatment of their iconic star spoiled it.  Nonetheless, I&#8217;m a Giants fan.  Fandom&#8211;my version, at least&#8211;is irrational.  I&#8217;ll always root for our guys, and by a sort of twisted extension, all that is part of that orange &amp; black SFG, even the creepy boardroom types like Baer and Magaowan!  I&#8217;ll shed no tears over them, like I would for a fave ballplayer, but I&#8217;ll accept them as part of the package.  These days, I&#8217;m more likely to attend an NCAA game or a minor-league contest, because the &#8220;ballpark experience&#8221; makes me ill.  Sadly, that is not an At&amp;T monopoly&#8211;go to any MLB stadium and you&#8217;ll see the same nonsense distracting us from enjoying the show:  cell phones, loud rock music, contests, big-screen TV bits, ridiculous prices, hordes of non-fans, etc.  Even the venerable Yankees are catching the wave and tearing down their magnificent park for a &#8220;new and improved&#8221; version.  All the posts here have been heartfelt and engaging.  I do hope you guys stick by our boys, after all, the fans always get screwed.  It comes with the territory.  We take it, then get back up off the mat and give the team our love all over again.  Besides, you&#8217;ll miss Matt and Tim.</p>
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