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		<title>By: quincy0191</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/27/ingrate/comment-page-1/#comment-32064</link>
		<dc:creator>quincy0191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;ll be 44 (Moyer is 45 and a starting pitcher. SPs have MUCH higher rates of injury than outfielders. that&#039;s just one example), he can&#039;t play defense (8 Gold Gloves means you&#039;re wrong. He obviously won&#039;t play to that caliber, but he&#039;ll certainly be a very good outfielder), and he (does) brings an enormous amount of baggage with him.

I am sure that front offices aren&#039;t signing him intentionally. Bonds would take any contract. The Mariners could sign him to a one-year contract for league minimum. The guy just wants to play. And don&#039;t you find it a little suspicious that the Giants weren&#039;t willing to sign him for completely unknown reasons after 2007, and then all of a sudden he&#039;s brought up on perjury charges? I&#039;m sure with the dearth of truly reliable hitters (the list slopes off significantly past Ramirez and Texiera) this offseason there are many teams who could use Bonds, but they don&#039;t want to deal with the admittedly large baggage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;ll be 44 (Moyer is 45 and a starting pitcher. SPs have MUCH higher rates of injury than outfielders. that&#8217;s just one example), he can&#8217;t play defense (8 Gold Gloves means you&#8217;re wrong. He obviously won&#8217;t play to that caliber, but he&#8217;ll certainly be a very good outfielder), and he (does) brings an enormous amount of baggage with him.</p>
<p>I am sure that front offices aren&#8217;t signing him intentionally. Bonds would take any contract. The Mariners could sign him to a one-year contract for league minimum. The guy just wants to play. And don&#8217;t you find it a little suspicious that the Giants weren&#8217;t willing to sign him for completely unknown reasons after 2007, and then all of a sudden he&#8217;s brought up on perjury charges? I&#8217;m sure with the dearth of truly reliable hitters (the list slopes off significantly past Ramirez and Texiera) this offseason there are many teams who could use Bonds, but they don&#8217;t want to deal with the admittedly large baggage.</p>
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		<title>By: Evaine</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/27/ingrate/comment-page-1/#comment-30084</link>
		<dc:creator>Evaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.

&quot;The deal is this, Sabean’s plan is easy to figure out, if you just watch what he does. He values veterans with proven track records over youth and inexperience. He has taken this strategy to it’s absurd extreme, and, in doing so, has completely derailed this franchise. Magowan has watched him do it, and is either blind to it, or thinks it’ll eventually work. Bottom line; these guys have failed. They have done so by choosing a course of action that disregards conventional wisdom, collective wisdom, and conventional –and unconventional– statistical analysis. It’s as if they have gone out of their way to try and prove that Bill James is wrong.&quot;

I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.</p>
<p>&#8220;The deal is this, Sabean’s plan is easy to figure out, if you just watch what he does. He values veterans with proven track records over youth and inexperience. He has taken this strategy to it’s absurd extreme, and, in doing so, has completely derailed this franchise. Magowan has watched him do it, and is either blind to it, or thinks it’ll eventually work. Bottom line; these guys have failed. They have done so by choosing a course of action that disregards conventional wisdom, collective wisdom, and conventional –and unconventional– statistical analysis. It’s as if they have gone out of their way to try and prove that Bill James is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: new york reputation management</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/27/ingrate/comment-page-1/#comment-29095</link>
		<dc:creator>new york reputation management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ontario Ogdensburg, new York ...http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2008/02/c9557.html??. Ingrate In my house, this is called lying: ??. ???With Barry Bonds gone,??? Magowan said, addressing the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ontario Ogdensburg, new York &#8230;<a href="http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2008/02/c9557.html??" rel="nofollow">http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2008/02/c9557.html??</a>. Ingrate In my house, this is called lying: ??. ???With Barry Bonds gone,??? Magowan said, addressing the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily for me I am a SF Giants and NY Knicks fan, it&#039;s a great time for me, incompetent owners and awful gms for both squads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily for me I am a SF Giants and NY Knicks fan, it&#8217;s a great time for me, incompetent owners and awful gms for both squads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/27/ingrate/comment-page-1/#comment-29014</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Knicks comparison was beyond perfect...

Anyway, the stench surrounding this team is so awful I wouldn&#039;t blame you for giving up -- it&#039;s one thing for a team to lose, it&#039;s another for a team to lose games and its dignity at the same time.  Anyway, hang in there, let&#039;s hope there are some bright spots to be optimistic about, although I strongly suspect to see one of the worst offenses in the history of the game and a pitching staff driven to insanity due to a lack of run support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Knicks comparison was beyond perfect&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, the stench surrounding this team is so awful I wouldn&#8217;t blame you for giving up &#8212; it&#8217;s one thing for a team to lose, it&#8217;s another for a team to lose games and its dignity at the same time.  Anyway, hang in there, let&#8217;s hope there are some bright spots to be optimistic about, although I strongly suspect to see one of the worst offenses in the history of the game and a pitching staff driven to insanity due to a lack of run support.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you -- my #1 hope is for a good season, but my #2 hope is for a train wreck season that will force ownership to make the changes they should have made three years ago. The worst outcome would be a mediocre season that lets ownership + management keep living in a dream world, where they believe the Giants will contend if they just sign another Dave Roberts or Rich Aurilia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you &#8212; my #1 hope is for a good season, but my #2 hope is for a train wreck season that will force ownership to make the changes they should have made three years ago. The worst outcome would be a mediocre season that lets ownership + management keep living in a dream world, where they believe the Giants will contend if they just sign another Dave Roberts or Rich Aurilia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, this season could be fun....in a peverse sort of way.  The validation of your rants as this team struggles to score 600 runs and losses over 100 might be satisfying if it leads to the needed change at GM.  

There&#039;s no way this team is anything but a lost cause this season, so might as well sit in the back row and make fun of their ineptitude.   I will get angry if they do make a Sabean trade of young talent for a Crede or other mediocre veteran. Otherwise, we can party like its 1985, or worse.

A new GM that brings modern analytics to building a baseball team will make this season worthwhile.  If the Giants/McGowan keep Sabean around and still look to blame Bonds, well then its time to dump the season tix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, this season could be fun&#8230;.in a peverse sort of way.  The validation of your rants as this team struggles to score 600 runs and losses over 100 might be satisfying if it leads to the needed change at GM.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way this team is anything but a lost cause this season, so might as well sit in the back row and make fun of their ineptitude.   I will get angry if they do make a Sabean trade of young talent for a Crede or other mediocre veteran. Otherwise, we can party like its 1985, or worse.</p>
<p>A new GM that brings modern analytics to building a baseball team will make this season worthwhile.  If the Giants/McGowan keep Sabean around and still look to blame Bonds, well then its time to dump the season tix.</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have said everything I said and wanted to say about this disgusting display. You have given words to everything I feel about this. When baseball is so close to your heart that it BECOMES your heart, being crushed like this is terribly painful. I am crushed by the blatant disrespect to me as a fan. Bonds vs. the management is a fight I don&#039;t care to get into. But to lie to me, to dupe me, to call me a fool by thinking I won&#039;t notice or care that management is pulling a incredibly half-assed CYA act, that&#039;s unforgivable. It&#039;s bullshit. 

As a fan of this team and a fan of Bonds I knew I had to accept all that came with him, to take the good with the bad. The team refuses to do this now. You cannot just pretend the man never existed. 

The blatant stupidity at work here is just staggering. It&#039;s insulting to fans of the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have said everything I said and wanted to say about this disgusting display. You have given words to everything I feel about this. When baseball is so close to your heart that it BECOMES your heart, being crushed like this is terribly painful. I am crushed by the blatant disrespect to me as a fan. Bonds vs. the management is a fight I don&#8217;t care to get into. But to lie to me, to dupe me, to call me a fool by thinking I won&#8217;t notice or care that management is pulling a incredibly half-assed CYA act, that&#8217;s unforgivable. It&#8217;s bullshit. </p>
<p>As a fan of this team and a fan of Bonds I knew I had to accept all that came with him, to take the good with the bad. The team refuses to do this now. You cannot just pretend the man never existed. </p>
<p>The blatant stupidity at work here is just staggering. It&#8217;s insulting to fans of the team.</p>
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		<title>By: Fishchum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishchum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I understand NL teams not being interested&quot;

- Well then right away you can&#039;t call it collusion if half the league has a legitimate reason not to sign him. To say he&#039;s a liability on defense is an understatement.

&quot;This isn’t collusion in the sense that GMs are getting together and saying ‘I won’t sign him if you don’t.’&quot;

- Well then what is it? Because that is EXACTLY what collusion is. If you want to ascertain that there&#039;s a slight undercurrent of racism in clubs not signing Bonds that would sign Clemens, fine. But to suggest that all owners have conspired to keep him out of baseball is laughable at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I understand NL teams not being interested&#8221;</p>
<p>- Well then right away you can&#8217;t call it collusion if half the league has a legitimate reason not to sign him. To say he&#8217;s a liability on defense is an understatement.</p>
<p>&#8220;This isn’t collusion in the sense that GMs are getting together and saying ‘I won’t sign him if you don’t.’&#8221;</p>
<p>- Well then what is it? Because that is EXACTLY what collusion is. If you want to ascertain that there&#8217;s a slight undercurrent of racism in clubs not signing Bonds that would sign Clemens, fine. But to suggest that all owners have conspired to keep him out of baseball is laughable at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not overlook the fact that Bonds has not retired and could conceivably return to SF in another uniform.  How ridiculous would it be to have tributes to one of the opposing team&#039;s players all about your ball field?  That said, the season following an announcement from Bonds that he is retired I expect nothing less than to see a prominent and appropriate acknowledgement of the man&#039;s greatness in the ballpark.

JOHN:  The YANKEES?  Please, that would about make me ill and I would seriously never return here to read anything.  If I want to know about the yankees, I&#039;ll tune in to ESPN thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not overlook the fact that Bonds has not retired and could conceivably return to SF in another uniform.  How ridiculous would it be to have tributes to one of the opposing team&#8217;s players all about your ball field?  That said, the season following an announcement from Bonds that he is retired I expect nothing less than to see a prominent and appropriate acknowledgement of the man&#8217;s greatness in the ballpark.</p>
<p>JOHN:  The YANKEES?  Please, that would about make me ill and I would seriously never return here to read anything.  If I want to know about the yankees, I&#8217;ll tune in to ESPN thank you very much.</p>
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