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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/12/spin-doctor/comment-page-1/#comment-28072</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THAT is one refreshingly honest and simple answer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THAT is one refreshingly honest and simple answer!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/12/spin-doctor/comment-page-1/#comment-28070</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Jayson Stark&#039;s ESPN column today:

THREE STRIKES: BASEBALL&#039;S WORST TEAM?

STRIKE ONE -- THE BASEMENT RACE: I&#039;ve heard very little consensus this spring on the best team in baseball. But there&#039;s a heck of a debate going on about who might emerge as the worst team in baseball. The contenders, please, as nominated by our distinguished panel of scouts and executives: 

• Orioles: &quot;I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll win for five years,&quot; said one scout. &quot;I mean it.&quot; ... &quot;If you can find a strength on that team, let me know,&quot; said an AL executive. 

• Giants: &quot;You watch that team, and it&#039;s actually depressing,&quot; said a scout that has watched way too much of the Giants, apparently. ... &quot;The talk of Arizona,&quot; said another scout, &quot;is, how bad will the Giants be?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Jayson Stark&#8217;s ESPN column today:</p>
<p>THREE STRIKES: BASEBALL&#8217;S WORST TEAM?</p>
<p>STRIKE ONE &#8212; THE BASEMENT RACE: I&#8217;ve heard very little consensus this spring on the best team in baseball. But there&#8217;s a heck of a debate going on about who might emerge as the worst team in baseball. The contenders, please, as nominated by our distinguished panel of scouts and executives: </p>
<p>• Orioles: &#8220;I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll win for five years,&#8221; said one scout. &#8220;I mean it.&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;If you can find a strength on that team, let me know,&#8221; said an AL executive. </p>
<p>• Giants: &#8220;You watch that team, and it&#8217;s actually depressing,&#8221; said a scout that has watched way too much of the Giants, apparently. &#8230; &#8220;The talk of Arizona,&#8221; said another scout, &#8220;is, how bad will the Giants be?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geez, I like the &quot;giant sundial in its place in tribute to some ancient Aztec God.&quot; idea....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geez, I like the &#8220;giant sundial in its place in tribute to some ancient Aztec God.&#8221; idea&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2008/03/12/spin-doctor/comment-page-1/#comment-28016</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Fishchum, this certainly makes sense. it&#039;ll be interesting to see if the fan support holds up in 2009 if the Giants are still stuck in the 2nd-division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Fishchum, this certainly makes sense. it&#8217;ll be interesting to see if the fan support holds up in 2009 if the Giants are still stuck in the 2nd-division.</p>
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		<title>By: Fishchum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishchum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - I&#039;m a season ticket holder and I&#039;ll give you my take - I&#039;m simply a Giants fan. I know it&#039;s not going to be pretty out there this year, but I&#039;m hoping to cull some enjoyment out of watching some decent young pitching, and hoping one of Ortmeier/Lewis/Davis/Frandsen combos actually shows a glimmer of hope.

Now, admittadly, I have a 1/4 share of season tickets in the first row of the bleachers in Triples Alley, so the entire season (20 games) only sets me back about $500. If I was a PSL or season ticket holder spending in excess of $1000 I might reconsider making such an investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; I&#8217;m a season ticket holder and I&#8217;ll give you my take &#8211; I&#8217;m simply a Giants fan. I know it&#8217;s not going to be pretty out there this year, but I&#8217;m hoping to cull some enjoyment out of watching some decent young pitching, and hoping one of Ortmeier/Lewis/Davis/Frandsen combos actually shows a glimmer of hope.</p>
<p>Now, admittadly, I have a 1/4 share of season tickets in the first row of the bleachers in Triples Alley, so the entire season (20 games) only sets me back about $500. If I was a PSL or season ticket holder spending in excess of $1000 I might reconsider making such an investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weird thing is that even though all the Giants fans I know are enraged and disgusted by our crappy team + crappy management, reports are that season tickets sales are close to what they were last year, and that the Giants expect to draw over 3 million again.

Does anyone understand this? We all know the team is awful; Barry and the chase for #756 are over; there&#039;s no All-Star game to promote this year; and yet the Giants are still drawing fans like it&#039;s 2002. James, you&#039;re a season-ticket holder, what is your take on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weird thing is that even though all the Giants fans I know are enraged and disgusted by our crappy team + crappy management, reports are that season tickets sales are close to what they were last year, and that the Giants expect to draw over 3 million again.</p>
<p>Does anyone understand this? We all know the team is awful; Barry and the chase for #756 are over; there&#8217;s no All-Star game to promote this year; and yet the Giants are still drawing fans like it&#8217;s 2002. James, you&#8217;re a season-ticket holder, what is your take on this?</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably won&#039;t take long to run you.  Magowan and Co. are all about the &quot;ballpark experience&quot; as in Fisherman&#039;s Wharf, Alcatraz Tours, Cliff House Brunches and &quot;No seating except between At Bats&quot;.

By May, when the Swagger, Grit, Warrior Spirit, becomes a parody, and the actual turnstile attendence drops to about  half of what it was last year, perhaps Magowan will realize that he needs a complete overhaul in his management team.  

If&#039; you&#039;re not growing and changing, you&#039;re falling behind.  All one has to do is look at the standings since 2005 and take a realistic look at the near future to realize that the Magowan Giants are one of the worst there ever was,  the worst there is, and one of the worst there ever will be. Worse than under Stoneham. Worse than under Lurie.  Those guys at least could not or would not spend any money.  Magowan is spending a fortune on an AMC Pacer.  Al Davis and John York could not do more damage to this team than Magowan, Sabean, and Baer.  

We would be better off if this collection of wheezers, carpetbaggers, no-talent, utility benchers, and their collection of non-playing staffers, jumped ship to the California Penal League, razed the park, and built a giant sundial in its place in tribute to some ancient Aztec God.  

This franchise is an embarrassment.  The Giants have become the Enron of MLB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably won&#8217;t take long to run you.  Magowan and Co. are all about the &#8220;ballpark experience&#8221; as in Fisherman&#8217;s Wharf, Alcatraz Tours, Cliff House Brunches and &#8220;No seating except between At Bats&#8221;.</p>
<p>By May, when the Swagger, Grit, Warrior Spirit, becomes a parody, and the actual turnstile attendence drops to about  half of what it was last year, perhaps Magowan will realize that he needs a complete overhaul in his management team.  </p>
<p>If&#8217; you&#8217;re not growing and changing, you&#8217;re falling behind.  All one has to do is look at the standings since 2005 and take a realistic look at the near future to realize that the Magowan Giants are one of the worst there ever was,  the worst there is, and one of the worst there ever will be. Worse than under Stoneham. Worse than under Lurie.  Those guys at least could not or would not spend any money.  Magowan is spending a fortune on an AMC Pacer.  Al Davis and John York could not do more damage to this team than Magowan, Sabean, and Baer.  </p>
<p>We would be better off if this collection of wheezers, carpetbaggers, no-talent, utility benchers, and their collection of non-playing staffers, jumped ship to the California Penal League, razed the park, and built a giant sundial in its place in tribute to some ancient Aztec God.  </p>
<p>This franchise is an embarrassment.  The Giants have become the Enron of MLB.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us all remember how last year when Sabean&#039;s contract was up and he did not yet have an extension, that he actually did not expect to be re-signed. He subsequently bowed his head and admitted unspecific and vague mistakes about player development. The only thing he&#039;s done about changing his ways was to aggressively draft high upside players and make token commitments to youth. Instead he has absconded to Felipe and Big Headed Frenchie and signed Rowand, Zito, etc directly blocking players, who he should be giving a chance. The front office is a mess. Giants management throws out a vague strategy of pitching and defense and long term player development, but my God they are spending a lot of money for a horribly constructed team. 

Based on the their own current desperation over their Spring Training play, the actual season may be an epic of pain and misery. A misery consisting of hungry younger players who are not given a chance to play, a talented starting duo getting no run or bullpen support, a team geared for defense, but obligated to play their worst defensive players (Durham, Aurilla), and most importantly a failed, uninformed, and divided player management group. It&#039;s really a culmination of Magowan&#039;s failure to fire Sabean four years ago. He really needs to network and meet other, smarter baseball business people. Its like Sabean is the only baseball exec that Magowan knows. 

I&#039;ll be repeating myself again, but I will be the guy this year wearing the paper bag with &#039;Fire Sabean&#039; scrawled on it along the 3B lower box area. Let&#039;s see how quickly telecom park security disposes of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us all remember how last year when Sabean&#8217;s contract was up and he did not yet have an extension, that he actually did not expect to be re-signed. He subsequently bowed his head and admitted unspecific and vague mistakes about player development. The only thing he&#8217;s done about changing his ways was to aggressively draft high upside players and make token commitments to youth. Instead he has absconded to Felipe and Big Headed Frenchie and signed Rowand, Zito, etc directly blocking players, who he should be giving a chance. The front office is a mess. Giants management throws out a vague strategy of pitching and defense and long term player development, but my God they are spending a lot of money for a horribly constructed team. </p>
<p>Based on the their own current desperation over their Spring Training play, the actual season may be an epic of pain and misery. A misery consisting of hungry younger players who are not given a chance to play, a talented starting duo getting no run or bullpen support, a team geared for defense, but obligated to play their worst defensive players (Durham, Aurilla), and most importantly a failed, uninformed, and divided player management group. It&#8217;s really a culmination of Magowan&#8217;s failure to fire Sabean four years ago. He really needs to network and meet other, smarter baseball business people. Its like Sabean is the only baseball exec that Magowan knows. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be repeating myself again, but I will be the guy this year wearing the paper bag with &#8216;Fire Sabean&#8217; scrawled on it along the 3B lower box area. Let&#8217;s see how quickly telecom park security disposes of me.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget about Andrew McCutchen. Guy&#039;s probably going to be a stud in CF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget about Andrew McCutchen. Guy&#8217;s probably going to be a stud in CF.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d trade positions with just about every other major league franchise. The Orioles are the only one that I might have a problem with, just because I&#039;m not sure Jones/Markakis would be enough to fill the Cain/Lincecum void, so to speak. But yeah, it looks beyond horrible for the next few seasons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d trade positions with just about every other major league franchise. The Orioles are the only one that I might have a problem with, just because I&#8217;m not sure Jones/Markakis would be enough to fill the Cain/Lincecum void, so to speak. But yeah, it looks beyond horrible for the next few seasons</p>
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