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By: marc

marc — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:30:20 +0000

FIRE SABEAN 4 YEARS AGO.

Yes – and something I never see mentioned in the bash-Sabean sweepstakes. Remember about 5-6 years ago when Feliz was as “untouchable” as Cain or Lincecum are now? The Giants could’ve gotten a king’s ransom for Feliz at that time. I nominate THAT as Sabean’s biggest mistake.

Of course, hindsight is always golden.

By: James Wang

James Wang — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:51:30 +0000

It ‘s very easy to bash Pedro Feliz, but he may actually be slight upgrade at 3B for the Phillies.

Sabean’s strategy, or complete lack thereof, for a 3B replacement is completely retarded and should be bashed.

Two viable 3B candidates, Dallas McPherson and Morgan Ensberg were signed for less than $500K a piece last week when Sabean was on vacation. WTF?!?! Given good health, both of these guys are certain to out perform Crede or Feliz.

These signings seem to all but lock up Sabean trading for Crede. God I hope he doesn’t give Kenny WIlliams anything for the gringo version of Feliz with a bad back. He’d cost us $5.2 M vs the pittance Mcpherson or Ensberg will be earning.

What troubles me most is that Sabean has painted himself into a corner. Now we are desperately hoping that Crede is healthy, which won’t be known for another couple months. As insurance against Crede not being healthy, Sabean could have signed Ensberg or Mcpherson for little money. What is the plan now if Crede isn’t healthy? What kind of frigging planning is this? On top of that, the rumor is that we will have to trade Lowry for Crede, which is insane.

FIRE SABEAN 4 YEARS AGO. The paper bags are going to show up at Pac Bell

By: grega

grega — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:00:41 +0000

I’m actually encouraged by this situation. For the first time in many o’ moon the Giants brass made a reasonable evaluation of what it would cost to keep a player. They figured out what Feliz would give them based on his track record, what the going rate is for that type of production is and made a reasonable offer! They didn’t tack on an extra 10 million bidding against themselves, they didn’t add a bunch of years nothing. Then, and this is the incredible part, when that offer was rejected by Feliz they walked away. I’m almost encouraged.

By: marc

marc — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:03:24 +0000

granted this study does not include 2007, but:

http://baseballevolution.com/richard/feliz2.html

for 2006, Feliz had the 15th lowest OBP in HISTORY (.281) (min 502 PA).
He has the 9th lowest career OBP of all active players with 1000 PAs
He has the 2nd lowest career OBP of all active players with 2000 PAs
He has the 3rd Highest career out percentage of ALL active players with 2000 PAs.

so let’s include 2007:
As per Baseball Perspectus, his offense is below replacement level, his VORP being 30th on the Giants, only above Omar Vizquel and Ray Durham on the Giants among players with 400 PAs.

he was 15th (dead last) in the ML in OBP in 2007 among 3B (min 502 PA).
he was 12th (3rd from last) in the ML in OPS in 2007 among 3B (min 502 PA).

avg 3rd baseman eqa : 0.269
feliz: 0.237 (this is below avg at ANY position except pitcher)

And this is all offset by his fielding ability? How in god’s name could Frandsen be worse?

By: marc

marc — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:51:44 +0000

Pedro’s .288 OBP is laughable. ’nuff said.

By: giantsrainman

giantsrainman — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:24:28 +0000

100 Outs! Feliz costs an extra 100 outs compared to an average thirdbasemen? What a crock of shit! 100 Outs in 600 plate appearances would be 167 points in OBP. Pedro’s 288 + 167 would be a 455 OBP! You are so full of it that your rants are just laughable.

By: giantsrainman

giantsrainman — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:34:43 +0000

The Brewers have a damm good homegrown infield with Fielder, Weeks, Hall, and Hardy. The Rockies also might also have have a damm good homegrown infield with Helton, Stewart, Atkins, and Tulowitzki this year if Stewart is ready. The Angels have a pretty good homegrown infield with Kotchman, Kendrick, Figgins, and either Aybar, Izturis, or Wood. Finally, the Indians with Garko, Cabrera, Blake, and Peralta are not bad either. There are more homegrown infields then one might think.

By: +mia

+mia — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:21:45 +0000

Hal:
I don’t believe either John or myself is dismissing defense Its that his defense, no matter how stellar, cannot offset 100 outs. Thats what Peliz costs the Giants each year at the plate over and above his offensive and defensive equivalent in Oakland, Eric Chavez. Eric Chavez who is damn near washed up. There is nobody on God’s green earth that can make up defensively an additional offensive outs per year. There is no glove that big. No arm that strong. No feet that move that laterally that quick to make up FOR 100 ADDITIONAL OFFENSIVE OUTS.

Insofar as the Giants pitching is concerned, their 5 best arms, and any hopes for the future are power pitchers Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Jonathan Sanchez, Kevin Corriea and Brian Wilson. All are fully capable of a strikeout an inning. That leaves 18 ground/pop/fly outs over the course of a game. I’ll take my chances with the guy who has a little less lateral movement, a slightly less powerful/accurate arm, slightly harder hands but who is going to cost me 100 less outs per season any day, anytime, anywhere.

And what in the world gives you the idea that he can tear up Philly? The ballpark? Feliz’ problem wasn’t warning track power at PacBell. His problem is plate discipline, and recognition. His numbers would damn near be the same if he were playing in a park with 200ft. fences. Its just as easy to swing at 55 foot sliders in Philly as it is in SF.

Frankly, I hope he has a great season. He is as Jim wrote, a really decent guy and it is truly not his fault that he lacks the skills to be a good hitter. Its not personal. The fault lies with the Giants inability to evaluate, develop, coach, and then manage high quality MLB talent. They have produced not a single impact position player since Matt Williams.

And I agree that they will not be able to fill the position with anybody significantly better. The only reason I say that is because that somebody is likely to be the next great out-machine, Kevin Frandsen. If its one thing the Giants are really good at is developing farm clones. Lance Niekro, JR Phillips, Kevin Frandsen, Cody Ransom, Tony Torcatto, Damon Minor, Todd Linden, Jason Ellison, Adam Shabala and countless other forgettable faces. Nothing will change until Magowan decides that Brian Sabaen and his staff need to be replaced by people who haven’t been passed by their competitors.

By: Hal

Hal — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:54:24 +0000

I have to chime in here just because there are finaly some other voices standing up for the value of defense. Most of the OBM regulars are so offense-oriented that I’ve mostly just bitten my tongue, feeling my opinions would be dismissed – just as John and Mia have jumped on Rainman.

What good is a hotshot young pitching staff if the fielders can’t catch the ball? Are Cain and Lincecum supposed to strike everybody out? Does anyone think that makes baseball sense?

I doubt we’ll ever see the likes of the ’80s Giants homegrown infield of Clark-Thompson-Clayton-Williams, that could field and hit with the best. Remember they were the only entirely homegrown infield in the majors at the time. Has there been one since? Was it any good? I don’t think it’s all the Giants’ farm system’s fault – I think the business of baseball has changed in ways that make that extremely unlikely – not an improvement, in my opinion.

Whatever you think of Feliz, I’ll be very surprised if the Giants are able to fill the position with someone significantly better, and won’t be at all surprised if he tears up Philly.