Through DK Wilson’s site, I found a site called, interestingly enough, Steroids and Baseball. It is terrific, basically encapsulating my entire five years of arguments, fact-finding, and criticism. I’ll just throw you a taste for today, I may do continuous updates from it for a while:
“With estimates of over 1 million past or current users in the US, an extremely small percentage of individuals using anabolic-androgenic steroids appear to experience mental disturbances severe enough to result in clinical treatment and medical case reports. Even among those so affected, the roles of previous psychiatric history, genetic susceptibility to addictions or mental disorders, environmental and peer influences, and individual expectations remain unclear.” Dr. Charles Yesalis
Every medication whatever, no matter how typically benign or harmless, carries the risk that a particular individual might be the rare person with an atypical and significantly negative reaction. The percentages of the population who may be at risk to a given atypical adverse reaction to steroids seem from the published literature quite small–roughly in line with, for example, allergy to sulfa drugs, which remain a commonly prescribed medication.
Few of the alleged side effects of steroids rise to the level of significant even when reactions occur, and in all but one case (breast enlargement) can be made to disappear by simply discontinuing the steroid; even in the case of gynecomastia, when it lingers it is usually amenable to medication. Nor are these substances addictive.
The bottom line seems to be clear: One, by consensus medical and jurisprudential knowledge, these substances should not be illegal; two, regardless of legal questions, their use would not be considered by any sane person to be a medical “risk”–users would routinely be monitored by medical personnel for possible onset of atypical reactions. Even in the present artificial status, in which legitimate medical personnel are precluded from participating, symptoms above the mildly annoying level are rare and almost always reversible. To present steroid use as a major medical risk–or, worse, as a sure ticket to catastrophic consequences–is to invite at least cynicism in users and, as has been seen with so many other illegal substances, a marked tendency in the user community to disregard all cautions as lies.
[...] … absolute sports report – Last Updated – Friday February 1 Request a Trackback …. Knowledge is power Through DK Wilson’s site, I found a site called, interestingly enough, Steroids and [...]
[...] …. Knowledge is power Permalink Posted in Cy Young, Hall of Fame, Most Valuable Player, Barry Bonds, Steroids & Baseball | 10 Backtalkers » …. Two things First, I had an epic, world-class dinner the other night in Westchester. I’m home visiting my family, and went out Saturday night to a place called Flames, a very highly-rated steakhouse in Briarcliff, NY. I just wanted to throw a shout-out to the whole crew at the restaurant. Owners Nick and Valentina were simply terrific, made me feel like I was a re [...]
[...] = “34d024″; var mooter_wrapper_url=”"; var run_method = “onload”; var mooter_target = “0″; …. Knowledge is power saved by 1 others SoRaIsHoT bookmarked on 01/13/08 | [...]
CJ
was she convicted on the check fraud scheme, or was it understood that she had knowledge of the crime…which wouldnt have even made her an accessory
the judge’s sentencing made it seem that she had to go to prison for lying to investigators about ped use….and if so, wtf????
i do not believe that marion jones is a criminal, she shouldnt be going to the fed pen
what is criminal is that we are wasting time worried about what adults are injesting….should be none of our buisiness
The reason the case was in NY court was because of the check fraud and it is also what got her to plea. The affidavit is probably available online and contends something like she opened an account for the checks and cashed at least one $25000 check herself and was making withdrawals on it, and the account had more than $200,000 in it. So, yes, she had knowledge and lied to investigators, and pled to avoid going to trial on the check fraud.
She had not been indicted on the obstruction of justice in northern Cal and they may not even have cared to indict her. It was a gift to those publicity seeking witch hunters. Unfortunately for everyone, the judge chose to emphasize that gift by making a steroids statement in his sentencing.
Though not relevant to this case, but relevant in general, is that steroid use by adult females is more serious than steroid use by adult males. The health effects of putting high levels of male hormone in a female body are bound to be bad. Health effects to teenagers and females = bad. To adult males = minimal and probably fairly positive past a certain age. Particularly in track, it changes the sport to have men running instead of women in the women’s events. The women’s world records in the 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m(maybe), associated relays, long jump, high jump(unless that tall Croatian has recently broken it), heptathlon, maybe strength field events were set in the 1980′s prior to random drug testing. Also, for a kick, look up Stella Walsh, who placed in sprint and field events in the same Olympics in the 20s or 30s.
John:
I encourage you to continue posting up on this study. It is as you say it is: A comprehensive compilation of most everything that has been discussed here, for the past 5 years.
Ignorance about PEDS and the willful and immoral dissemination of the untruths surrounding it have led to destroyed reputations of two (and counting) of the most gifted athletes (AND THEIR FAMILIES) of recent generations. Barry Bonds and now Marion Jones. This is a National Disgrace. The sentencing of Marion Jones to a Federal Prison is an outrage. Her transgression was tantamount to driving 75 in a 65. Millions of my and your dollars squandered on personal vendettas by those who are supposed to defend us, not persecute us. Now Federal Grand Juries appear to be more and more like the KKK with their secretive testimony, closed to the public (but leaked to hack opportunists in MSM like Faineau and Williams) presented by a Government Hack with unlimited powers of investigation, funds and manpower, to sit a “suspect” literally under a light bulb, unilaterally strip the suspect of his or hers 5th Amendment Rights and demand that said suspect remember everything about some particular time from their past regardless of its relative import in exquisite and precise detail. And if one iota of detail is amiss from what the fossil record shows, risk penitentiary time.
We are no longer a nation of law. We are a fascist nation of lawyers. With rogue prosecutors, ambulance chasers, the ACLU, ATLA, corrupt judges on the take, and star-struck gazillionaire Judge Judys on one side or the other, with even our most extraordinary citizens caught in the middle. And to listen to the Mike Lupica’s and Bud Seligs and George Mitchells and all the rest. I am just really grateful that I am not those individuals. That I do not associate with people like that. Have no respect for people like that. And hold them up as examples of what moral bankruptcy looks like. Chasing all that fame and celebrity status is what makes those people as despicable as they are. How do they face themselves each day when they knowingly participate and worse, engineer another human being’s disgrace? What manner of torturous rationalization do twats like these prosecutors and MSM and Sports Bosses go through to justify their actions? Ignorance of facts and causation is no excuse. The ends justifies the means only if envy and elitism is a worthy ends. If John Perricone can find it. If Dwight Wilson can find it. If I can find the truth, so can they. God damned I’m glad I’m not them. Dick the Butcher was right.
I didn’t think the Marion Jones sentence was an outrage because I think counterfeiting large checks is a pretty serious offense.
The judge’s quoted rationale for the sentencing is the outrage. Made it look like he was giving her time for use of the clear in the early 2000′s (which I think is less offensive than driving 75 in a 65). In essence, this is ex-post facto law and giving her time for something that no one could have reasonably expected governmental sanction for.
The lessons taught to youth and me are: (1) Don’t talk to federal agents and (2) they’ll get you if they want you.
Now, if he had just said I gave Steve Riddick 5 years for this check fraud scheme and you were a participant, so I’m giving you 6 months, I’d have had no problem with it.
facts: the power surge occured for many reasons, only one being ped’s….
no question that the ball was also juiced, new parks were configured for power hitters and expansion decreased the effectiveness of pitching
today, marion jones got 6 months….and the world is a safer place
soon, the congress will again take up the issue of roids, and the world will be made even safer for our children
this country makes me wanna puke
John,
I am sorry but I found his first arguement to be disengenuous cherry picking. He eliminated all the power increases from the mid 80′s on by attributing it all to a change in the ball and then he concluded steroids had no effect. I just can’t buy this. Why could not some of these power increases be from steroids, some from changes in the ball, and some from other sources? This site clearing wants to support it’s desired conclusions rather then just see where the facts lead them.
I see no reason to read any further.
Rainman:
Please continue reading. I don’t think your conclusion is complete. He goes into quite some detail on the effects of steroids in terms of added power, and cites specific studies to quantify the increases.
Secondly, many of us can come to different conclusions when presented with similar facts. Circumstances, etc. What this study does that Mainstream Media does not do, is provide context. It may not provide that context in a manner which we universally accept, but surely there must be some aspects of this study in which you must concur.
Also the credentials of the medical bio-ethicists must be taken into consideration. Their opinions are more serious and more certainly more credible than those of aggrandized pundits, politicians, and law enforcement officials.
[...] Through DK Wilson’s site, I found a site called, interestingly enough, Steroids and Baseball. It is terrific, basically encapsulating my entire five years of arguments, fact-finding, and criticism. I’ll just through you a taste for … Read the rest of the entry here [...]
[...] Permalink Posted in Cy Young, Hall of Fame, Most Valuable Player, Barry Bonds, Steroids & Baseball | 1 Backtalker » …. Two things First, I had an epic, world-class dinner the other night in Westchester. I’m home visiting my family, and went out Saturday night to a place called Flames, a very highly-rated steakhouse in Briarcliff, NY. I just wanted to throw a shout-out to the whole crew at the restaurant. Owners Nick and Valentina were simply terrific, made me feel like I was a regu Read the rest of the entry here [...]