Comments on: …. Blacklist http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/ Covering the SF Giants since 2002 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: julian smith http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12468 julian smith Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:57:08 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12468 John, I was referring to the initial list you posted by Jay T. You actually put the ESPN list up as I was typing my first email. I'm glad you took his list off - but my point was not to put up any list unless you had searched the report yourself. This issue is too important not to tarr someone's reputation with checking the facts yourself beforehand (or a least wait until the AP or ESPN had searched the report and put together a list, although they also have been wrong on stories). With all that said, I do enjoy your site. John, I was referring to the initial list you posted by Jay T. You actually put the ESPN list up as I was typing my first email. I’m glad you took his list off – but my point was not to put up any list unless you had searched the report yourself. This issue is too important not to tarr someone’s reputation with checking the facts yourself beforehand (or a least wait until the AP or ESPN had searched the report and put together a list, although they also have been wrong on stories). With all that said, I do enjoy your site.

]]> By: John http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12456 John Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:52:41 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12456 Julian, Not sure what you mean. Garciaparra's not on my list, neither is Albert Belle or Prior or Bichette. My list is posted as from ESPN, and I will do my own review of the PDF as soon as I can. In the meantime, I felt it was important for my readers to have as much of the fast-breaking info as possible. As far as accuracy goes, I'm doing my best. Julian,

Not sure what you mean. Garciaparra’s not on my list, neither is Albert Belle or Prior or Bichette. My list is posted as from ESPN, and I will do my own review of the PDF as soon as I can. In the meantime, I felt it was important for my readers to have as much of the fast-breaking info as possible.

As far as accuracy goes, I’m doing my best.

]]> By: Hobbes2d http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12455 Hobbes2d Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:51:11 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12455 The list is bullshit. Why? Well for one, it only lists players who have already been linked to steroids over the past 3 years after the guys who leaked these names were caught for their involvements with steroid distribution. There is a bunch of names people have mentioned in the comments above, and many more I myself could name that were probably obvious users over the past 10-15 years. The problem I think is this report is pretty much only exclusive to interviewing the select few people who were arrested for steroid distribution. I'm sure a lot of players have acquired roids and other PED's from much lower key sources, like say during winter ball in Mexico or Dominican leagues. There were entire teams that had obvious steroid users and not a mentioning of anyone on the 93 Phillies other then Lenny Dykstra. Same with the 2001 Dbacks, the only guys listed are Alex Cabrera and Matt Williams. Where is Jay Bell? Or Erubiel Durazo? Or Danny Bautista? Or LUIS GONZALEZ? This report is a joke. And I'm not really sure how it will help baseball much other then again show that there was an obvious steroid problem in the game and that everyone did nothing to stop it. But at least Clemens was mentioned. I was so tired of the media licking his nutsack while they would bark at the heels of Bonds. What a bunch of hypocrites. How wonderful that Clemens career resurgence (after he was considered washed up by Red Sox GM Dan Duquette) with Toronto directly coincided with him meeting up with the trainer who supplied him roids all these years. Awesome. But I'm sure he'll receive almost no heat for this and idiot fans will still pretend like Bonds was the only guy who ever did anything wrong, purely because the media will keep piling on Barry "because he chased records". The list is bullshit. Why? Well for one, it only lists players who have already been linked to steroids over the past 3 years after the guys who leaked these names were caught for their involvements with steroid distribution. There is a bunch of names people have mentioned in the comments above, and many more I myself could name that were probably obvious users over the past 10-15 years. The problem I think is this report is pretty much only exclusive to interviewing the select few people who were arrested for steroid distribution. I’m sure a lot of players have acquired roids and other PED’s from much lower key sources, like say during winter ball in Mexico or Dominican leagues. There were entire teams that had obvious steroid users and not a mentioning of anyone on the 93 Phillies other then Lenny Dykstra. Same with the 2001 Dbacks, the only guys listed are Alex Cabrera and Matt Williams. Where is Jay Bell? Or Erubiel Durazo? Or Danny Bautista? Or LUIS GONZALEZ? This report is a joke. And I’m not really sure how it will help baseball much other then again show that there was an obvious steroid problem in the game and that everyone did nothing to stop it.

But at least Clemens was mentioned. I was so tired of the media licking his nutsack while they would bark at the heels of Bonds. What a bunch of hypocrites. How wonderful that Clemens career resurgence (after he was considered washed up by Red Sox GM Dan Duquette) with Toronto directly coincided with him meeting up with the trainer who supplied him roids all these years. Awesome. But I’m sure he’ll receive almost no heat for this and idiot fans will still pretend like Bonds was the only guy who ever did anything wrong, purely because the media will keep piling on Barry “because he chased records”.

]]> By: julian smith http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12454 julian smith Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:44:22 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12454 Good job on the update, but still a disservice posting information that's not accurate to begin with, especially on a subject such as this. Good job on the update, but still a disservice posting information that’s not accurate to begin with, especially on a subject such as this.

]]> By: julian smith http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12453 julian smith Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:40:39 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12453 I've searched the pdf, no Garciaparra on the list (other than as a footnote dealing with a trade), no Brett Boone, no Johnny Damon, no Pudge, no Bichette, no Prior, no Albert Belle, etc. This "list" is pretty shoddy work even for the internet, especially when a person's reputation is at stake. Only BBM should have more integrity not to post information on such a inflammatory topic without checking it out themselves beforehand. I’ve searched the pdf, no Garciaparra on the list (other than as a footnote dealing with a trade), no Brett Boone, no Johnny Damon, no Pudge, no Bichette, no Prior, no Albert Belle, etc. This “list” is pretty shoddy work even for the internet, especially when a person’s reputation is at stake. Only BBM should have more integrity not to post information on such a inflammatory topic without checking it out themselves beforehand.

]]> By: John http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12452 John Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:39:24 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12452 Jay, Sorry I deleted your reference, I just wanted the post to be a little cleaner. Jay,

Sorry I deleted your reference, I just wanted the post to be a little cleaner.

]]> By: uncle joe mccarthy http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12451 uncle joe mccarthy Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:33:16 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12451 not one big name bosox player this report is bullshit not one big name bosox player

this report is bullshit

]]> By: Jay T. http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-12446 Jay T. Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:42:53 +0000 http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/13/blacklist/#comment-12446 In the updated version I believe in fact that Albert Pujols is not on the list, and I don't believe Jason Varitek or Johnny Damon are either. However, you can add Paul LoDuca, Kevin Brown, Benito Santiago, David Justice and Mo Vaughn. And yes, Roger Clemens remained on there. Big shocker. In the updated version I believe in fact that Albert Pujols is not on the list, and I don’t believe Jason Varitek or Johnny Damon are either. However, you can add Paul LoDuca, Kevin Brown, Benito Santiago, David Justice and Mo Vaughn.

And yes, Roger Clemens remained on there. Big shocker.

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