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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/12/11/backtalk-20/comment-page-1/#comment-12433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Rowand recently turned just 30, so I think putting the 30-something tag on him is a bit of a stretch.  He did just win a gold glove so he&#039;s hardly some hobbling veteran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Rowand recently turned just 30, so I think putting the 30-something tag on him is a bit of a stretch.  He did just win a gold glove so he&#8217;s hardly some hobbling veteran.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always love it when +mia posts.

While I agree that Rowand is a strange signing, any signing that removes Cain and Lincy from the table is a good one and fully worth 60M dollars.  The only question is if Sabean can figure out how to move Roberts, Davis or Lewis for anything of value.  Out of the 3 I&#039;d like to keep Davis, as he&#039;s likely to be good off the bench, a good defensive replacement and not a bad rest replacement.  However, I don&#039;t see Roberts being traded for anything other than a partial salary dump, and Lewis might bring back a mediocre AA prospect, at his age.

Regardless, I agree 100% that Bonds should be our LF this year.  Rowand and Bonds in the same lineup, with a 3B/1B combo that isn&#039;t near to the worst in the league actually turns this team into an underdog for playoffs, rather than a dead cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always love it when +mia posts.</p>
<p>While I agree that Rowand is a strange signing, any signing that removes Cain and Lincy from the table is a good one and fully worth 60M dollars.  The only question is if Sabean can figure out how to move Roberts, Davis or Lewis for anything of value.  Out of the 3 I&#8217;d like to keep Davis, as he&#8217;s likely to be good off the bench, a good defensive replacement and not a bad rest replacement.  However, I don&#8217;t see Roberts being traded for anything other than a partial salary dump, and Lewis might bring back a mediocre AA prospect, at his age.</p>
<p>Regardless, I agree 100% that Bonds should be our LF this year.  Rowand and Bonds in the same lineup, with a 3B/1B combo that isn&#8217;t near to the worst in the league actually turns this team into an underdog for playoffs, rather than a dead cat.</p>
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		<title>By: +mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>+mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that gives the Giants how many outfielders now? What a joke. Mouth gaping, jaw-dropping mental retardation.  What a blithering fucking idiot. Bochy is just as bad saying that Rowand will help &quot;bring the warrior mentality back to the Giants clubhouse.&quot;  

Uhm. Excuse the hell out of me Mr. Potato Head...but what the fuck would you know about the Giants clubhouse? You&#039;ve been here for one season surrounded by a bunch of ex-Padre washouts and retirees during that time, and you&#039;re traipsing out crippled cliches about &quot;returning to a Warrior mentality&#039; in the Giants clubhouse because your fuckwidget idiotic boss just gave 60 million dollars to some over-rated middle of the pack outfielder on a team that already has 15 other outfielders that can&#039;t hit worth a shit compared to the one they just ran out of town?

This franchise is beyond hopeless. Brian Sabaen has surpassed former 49er General Manager Joe Thomas for being the most arrogant AND the most ignorant General Manager in San Francisco Sports franchise history.  The situation is not even laughable anymore. Given a choice between free box seats at PacBell and attending a seminar on multi-level marketing, the true path to God and the Hereafter, I would choose the seminar because it would  involve a hell of a lot less fraud.  

More savvy veterans.  More grittiness. Another 30 something established fair to middling mercenary with a way too long term contract.  Putrid collection of welfare recipients in tight pants. These guys are more fucking rancid than the Tampa Rays dipped in whale shit.  The more I think about it, the more I think the fans should sue Magowan, Baer and Sabaen for false advertising, copyright infringement, and misappropriation of public funds for attempting to pawn off this collection of borderline paraplegics as a Major League Baseball Team.  As a matter of fact, instead of wasting their fucking time and my taxpayer money trying to get a chickenshit binge and purge conviction on Barry Bonds, The Federal Attornies could get themselves some hella good publicity by indicting the fucking crooked and incompetent twats in the Giants Front Office. PacBell Park should be surrounded in yellow tape as a motherfucking crime-scene.  A conviction would be difficult simply because the fucking rockpiles that the assholes in the front office use for brains, don&#039;t leave trace evidence. 

Watching this team next year, should be about as constructive as going to the zoo and watching a monkey fuck a football.  It will be more rewarding to beat the bushes with a burlap bag at midnight hunting snipe, then it would to expect anything positive to come from this collection of bland, going-through-the-motions suckbag losers.

A god damned 1st year little league coach has more sense than to build a roster with nothing but outfielders, none of which have any power.  This is the stupidest roster I have ever seen at any level, anywhere.  How fucking stupid. Like Sabean  could even think about trading any of them from anywhere remotely resembling a position of strength</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that gives the Giants how many outfielders now? What a joke. Mouth gaping, jaw-dropping mental retardation.  What a blithering fucking idiot. Bochy is just as bad saying that Rowand will help &#8220;bring the warrior mentality back to the Giants clubhouse.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Uhm. Excuse the hell out of me Mr. Potato Head&#8230;but what the fuck would you know about the Giants clubhouse? You&#8217;ve been here for one season surrounded by a bunch of ex-Padre washouts and retirees during that time, and you&#8217;re traipsing out crippled cliches about &#8220;returning to a Warrior mentality&#8217; in the Giants clubhouse because your fuckwidget idiotic boss just gave 60 million dollars to some over-rated middle of the pack outfielder on a team that already has 15 other outfielders that can&#8217;t hit worth a shit compared to the one they just ran out of town?</p>
<p>This franchise is beyond hopeless. Brian Sabaen has surpassed former 49er General Manager Joe Thomas for being the most arrogant AND the most ignorant General Manager in San Francisco Sports franchise history.  The situation is not even laughable anymore. Given a choice between free box seats at PacBell and attending a seminar on multi-level marketing, the true path to God and the Hereafter, I would choose the seminar because it would  involve a hell of a lot less fraud.  </p>
<p>More savvy veterans.  More grittiness. Another 30 something established fair to middling mercenary with a way too long term contract.  Putrid collection of welfare recipients in tight pants. These guys are more fucking rancid than the Tampa Rays dipped in whale shit.  The more I think about it, the more I think the fans should sue Magowan, Baer and Sabaen for false advertising, copyright infringement, and misappropriation of public funds for attempting to pawn off this collection of borderline paraplegics as a Major League Baseball Team.  As a matter of fact, instead of wasting their fucking time and my taxpayer money trying to get a chickenshit binge and purge conviction on Barry Bonds, The Federal Attornies could get themselves some hella good publicity by indicting the fucking crooked and incompetent twats in the Giants Front Office. PacBell Park should be surrounded in yellow tape as a motherfucking crime-scene.  A conviction would be difficult simply because the fucking rockpiles that the assholes in the front office use for brains, don&#8217;t leave trace evidence. </p>
<p>Watching this team next year, should be about as constructive as going to the zoo and watching a monkey fuck a football.  It will be more rewarding to beat the bushes with a burlap bag at midnight hunting snipe, then it would to expect anything positive to come from this collection of bland, going-through-the-motions suckbag losers.</p>
<p>A god damned 1st year little league coach has more sense than to build a roster with nothing but outfielders, none of which have any power.  This is the stupidest roster I have ever seen at any level, anywhere.  How fucking stupid. Like Sabean  could even think about trading any of them from anywhere remotely resembling a position of strength</p>
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		<title>By: uncle joe mccarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle joe mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so basically its goodbye to nate, freddie and/or raj

why am i not excited about this signing 

in fact, im pretty ticked about it

FIRE SABEAN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so basically its goodbye to nate, freddie and/or raj</p>
<p>why am i not excited about this signing </p>
<p>in fact, im pretty ticked about it</p>
<p>FIRE SABEAN</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s another big part of the signing that made me excited... we have &quot;enough&quot; outfielders, so with Rowand the odds of us trading Lincecum for Rios just dropped dramatically.

On the other hand, I think Rowand is a good piece of the puzzle.  He is by no means a team savior, but in three years from now it&#039;s possible we&#039;ll have turned things around and he could be a part of that.  I guess my point is, I&#039;m happy that at least Sabean has stopped making panic moves -- whether or not you like Rowand this one is defendable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another big part of the signing that made me excited&#8230; we have &#8220;enough&#8221; outfielders, so with Rowand the odds of us trading Lincecum for Rios just dropped dramatically.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think Rowand is a good piece of the puzzle.  He is by no means a team savior, but in three years from now it&#8217;s possible we&#8217;ll have turned things around and he could be a part of that.  I guess my point is, I&#8217;m happy that at least Sabean has stopped making panic moves &#8212; whether or not you like Rowand this one is defendable.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they just all think that LF is where you put the people who can&#039;t hit..... oh wait :(  I just love that LF is getting downgraded from Bonds to Roberts, and that Sabean thinks that signing Rowand is going to help that problem.  I don&#039;t care what we do at this point, but at the least we should trade Roberts, even if it means we eat most of the salary, just so that some young players with even a slightly chance of becoming MLB players can play in LF instead of Dave &quot;Speed and Defense&quot; Roberts.

However, there was a silver lining in the best quote of that article:

&quot;&quot;With this move, we will no longer listen to any offers for Cain and Lincecum,&quot; Sabean said. &quot;We know the value of both individuals believe me, maybe more so now that we&#039;ve gone through this exercise. They might be the hottest two names in baseball.&quot;&quot;

THANK YOU BASEBALL GODS!  I no longer have to wake up every day worried about no Lincecum in 2008!  Aaron Rowand, I now think you were the best signing of 2007, if you made Sabean not trade Cain and Lincey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they just all think that LF is where you put the people who can&#8217;t hit&#8230;.. oh wait <img src='http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   I just love that LF is getting downgraded from Bonds to Roberts, and that Sabean thinks that signing Rowand is going to help that problem.  I don&#8217;t care what we do at this point, but at the least we should trade Roberts, even if it means we eat most of the salary, just so that some young players with even a slightly chance of becoming MLB players can play in LF instead of Dave &#8220;Speed and Defense&#8221; Roberts.</p>
<p>However, there was a silver lining in the best quote of that article:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;With this move, we will no longer listen to any offers for Cain and Lincecum,&#8221; Sabean said. &#8220;We know the value of both individuals believe me, maybe more so now that we&#8217;ve gone through this exercise. They might be the hottest two names in baseball.&#8221;"</p>
<p>THANK YOU BASEBALL GODS!  I no longer have to wake up every day worried about no Lincecum in 2008!  Aaron Rowand, I now think you were the best signing of 2007, if you made Sabean not trade Cain and Lincey.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Pedro Feliz is a 32-year-old with a career .288 OBA while Rowland is a 30-year-old with a career .343 OBA, so I don&#039;t see these two players as similar. But the Rowland move strikes me as pointless, since by the time the Giants get things turned around he will have passed his expiration date as a useful player. And if this signing shifts Roberts to LF and blocks Schierholtz from a regular job -- well, this is a firable offense in my opinion. I mean, to spend $60 million on a FA who blocks the path of the  only legitimate prospect in your organization who is close to the majors?! That&#039;s not just dumb, that&#039;s Sabean-dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Pedro Feliz is a 32-year-old with a career .288 OBA while Rowland is a 30-year-old with a career .343 OBA, so I don&#8217;t see these two players as similar. But the Rowland move strikes me as pointless, since by the time the Giants get things turned around he will have passed his expiration date as a useful player. And if this signing shifts Roberts to LF and blocks Schierholtz from a regular job &#8212; well, this is a firable offense in my opinion. I mean, to spend $60 million on a FA who blocks the path of the  only legitimate prospect in your organization who is close to the majors?! That&#8217;s not just dumb, that&#8217;s Sabean-dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Giants sign Rowland...and plan to move the last year&#039;s over-priced FA signing (Roberts) to LF.

The Angels sign Hunter...and plan to move last year&#039;s over-priced FA signing (Mathews Jr.) to LF.

The Dodgers sign Andrew Jones...and plan to move last year&#039;s over-priced FA signing (Pierre) to LF.

What is with the GMs from the great state of California?? Does living on the West Coast make you stupid, or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Giants sign Rowland&#8230;and plan to move the last year&#8217;s over-priced FA signing (Roberts) to LF.</p>
<p>The Angels sign Hunter&#8230;and plan to move last year&#8217;s over-priced FA signing (Mathews Jr.) to LF.</p>
<p>The Dodgers sign Andrew Jones&#8230;and plan to move last year&#8217;s over-priced FA signing (Pierre) to LF.</p>
<p>What is with the GMs from the great state of California?? Does living on the West Coast make you stupid, or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes2d</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobbes2d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe its just me but I hate the signing of Rowand. Granted its completely within the Giants ability to do something even WORSE like they usually do, but we basically just gave 12 million dollars to the CF equivalent of Pedro Feliz. Good defense, Low OBP for his career, .280 avg or so, marginal power. Its just really sad they don&#039;t target any young players via trade that are available. But I guess its hard to do that when you keep giving up 1st round picks and can&#039;t seem to figure out how to develop any viable young players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe its just me but I hate the signing of Rowand. Granted its completely within the Giants ability to do something even WORSE like they usually do, but we basically just gave 12 million dollars to the CF equivalent of Pedro Feliz. Good defense, Low OBP for his career, .280 avg or so, marginal power. Its just really sad they don&#8217;t target any young players via trade that are available. But I guess its hard to do that when you keep giving up 1st round picks and can&#8217;t seem to figure out how to develop any viable young players.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, I&#039;m SHOCKED by this news, and I mean that in a good way...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7556916

Sabean just signed Aaron Rowand to a 5-year $60 million deal.  He just turned 30, came off his best season, and I feel is beginning the prime of his career (30-35).  He&#039;s also a gritty guy that you&#039;d like to have in your club house.  Honestly, given the contracts that other centerfielders like Juan Pierre have received in recent years (and what Andruw Jones just nabbed), I&#039;d call this a great signing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, I&#8217;m SHOCKED by this news, and I mean that in a good way&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7556916" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7556916</a></p>
<p>Sabean just signed Aaron Rowand to a 5-year $60 million deal.  He just turned 30, came off his best season, and I feel is beginning the prime of his career (30-35).  He&#8217;s also a gritty guy that you&#8217;d like to have in your club house.  Honestly, given the contracts that other centerfielders like Juan Pierre have received in recent years (and what Andruw Jones just nabbed), I&#8217;d call this a great signing.</p>
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