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		<title>By: uncle joe mccarthy</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/11/16/talk-talk-8/comment-page-1/#comment-8052</link>
		<dc:creator>uncle joe mccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i asked an client of mine, who happens to be an atty, what he thought about the case

he said that if they file multiple charges of perjury, the dont have a strong case, and are hoping to hit paydirt with one

the fact remains, this case was brought to embarress bonds and destroy him in the court of public opinion 

and Hobbes2d, unless bonds took roids after it was banned by the mlb, what he may have done was possibly immoral...but it wasnt cheating

out of all sports, baseball is the least pure...cheating...errrrr....getting an edge...has always been a part of the game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i asked an client of mine, who happens to be an atty, what he thought about the case</p>
<p>he said that if they file multiple charges of perjury, the dont have a strong case, and are hoping to hit paydirt with one</p>
<p>the fact remains, this case was brought to embarress bonds and destroy him in the court of public opinion </p>
<p>and Hobbes2d, unless bonds took roids after it was banned by the mlb, what he may have done was possibly immoral&#8230;but it wasnt cheating</p>
<p>out of all sports, baseball is the least pure&#8230;cheating&#8230;errrrr&#8230;.getting an edge&#8230;has always been a part of the game</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s ok.  If being a libertarian and believing that this witch hunt against Barry Bonds (and to a much lessor extent other accused steroid users) is a cult with John as a leader then you can count me in as a member of the &#039;cult&#039; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s ok.  If being a libertarian and believing that this witch hunt against Barry Bonds (and to a much lessor extent other accused steroid users) is a cult with John as a leader then you can count me in as a member of the &#8216;cult&#8217; too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/11/16/talk-talk-8/comment-page-1/#comment-7950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* ... yes, I&#039;m aware of that, but my whole point was that John&#039;s use of &quot;drinking the kool-aid&quot; was correct in a modern context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* &#8230; yes, I&#8217;m aware of that, but my whole point was that John&#8217;s use of &#8220;drinking the kool-aid&#8221; was correct in a modern context.</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/11/16/talk-talk-8/comment-page-1/#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you remember, Jim Jones lead and joined his cult in drinking the &#039;cool-aid&#039; that lead to all of their deaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you remember, Jim Jones lead and joined his cult in drinking the &#8216;cool-aid&#8217; that lead to all of their deaths.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  LOL, I feel like an idot.  Sorry, Frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  LOL, I feel like an idot.  Sorry, Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it depends on the details of the swap, but in general I say go for it... and here&#039;s why: it is my belief that a talented hitter and position player is a far safer long term bet than a pitcher.  Yes, hitters go into funks now and then, but the talented ones almost always pull out of it and remain productive players.  Pitchers, however, often hit a wall and suddenly become ineffective.  Not that I believe this will happen to Lincecum, but we do have some other young talent and could really use a guy like Cabrera.

My only concern is, perhaps we could have the chance to negotiation a longer contract with Cabrera before pulling the trigger.  I&#039;d hate to give up Lincecum in exchange for 2 years of Cabrera and then he walks away as a free agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it depends on the details of the swap, but in general I say go for it&#8230; and here&#8217;s why: it is my belief that a talented hitter and position player is a far safer long term bet than a pitcher.  Yes, hitters go into funks now and then, but the talented ones almost always pull out of it and remain productive players.  Pitchers, however, often hit a wall and suddenly become ineffective.  Not that I believe this will happen to Lincecum, but we do have some other young talent and could really use a guy like Cabrera.</p>
<p>My only concern is, perhaps we could have the chance to negotiation a longer contract with Cabrera before pulling the trigger.  I&#8217;d hate to give up Lincecum in exchange for 2 years of Cabrera and then he walks away as a free agent.</p>
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		<title>By: steveb</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, he admitted that the stuff he used  was &quot;a cream&quot; and &quot;a clear&quot;, which are not necessarily &quot;the cream&quot; and &quot;the clear&quot; in question (although most have already concluded that they must be the same).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, he admitted that the stuff he used  was &#8220;a cream&#8221; and &#8220;a clear&#8221;, which are not necessarily &#8220;the cream&#8221; and &#8220;the clear&#8221; in question (although most have already concluded that they must be the same).</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  I&#039;ve been told that you and I share Kool-Aid together.  A vodka tonic...maybe???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  I&#8217;ve been told that you and I share Kool-Aid together.  A vodka tonic&#8230;maybe???</p>
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		<title>By: giantsrainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantsrainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, one again you show your bias.  Barry admitted to taking arthritic balm and flaxseed oil.  He never admitted that he either believed then or believes now that these were actually the steroids commonly refered to as the cream and the clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, one again you show your bias.  Barry admitted to taking arthritic balm and flaxseed oil.  He never admitted that he either believed then or believes now that these were actually the steroids commonly refered to as the cream and the clear.</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
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		<dc:creator>El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Govt thinks he didn&#039;t testify truthfully before the GJ like the others called. That was the deal he agreed to and you break those at your peril.
 

And btw John, he sure as shit DID admit to taking the cream and clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Govt thinks he didn&#8217;t testify truthfully before the GJ like the others called. That was the deal he agreed to and you break those at your peril.</p>
<p>And btw John, he sure as shit DID admit to taking the cream and clear.</p>
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