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	<title>Comments on: &#8230;. A-Rod?</title>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/09/11/a-rod-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1823</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winning teams need TWO hitters with power in the middle of the line-up or have we not learned the lesson of the last 4+ years. So you blow it all on ONE, and you have another mediocre to bad team.  Bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winning teams need TWO hitters with power in the middle of the line-up or have we not learned the lesson of the last 4+ years. So you blow it all on ONE, and you have another mediocre to bad team.  Bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/09/11/a-rod-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a wet blanket (he said, being a wet blanket), but I&#039;m truly puzzled by those of you who argue that &quot;Sabean now realizes his approach hasn&#039;t worked, so we can expect something new and better next year.&quot; Perhaps you are the same folks who believed that Pedro Feliz would morph into Albert Pujols when he announced back on Spring Training that he was &quot;working on taking the ball to right field.&quot; The game is too hard for someone to announce &quot;I realize I&#039;ve been a bad GM, but, good news!, now I&#039;ve decided to be a good GM.&quot;

Sabean has been operating like this for 10 years. The entire cast that brought you 2005-2007 is back for 2008: Sabean; Tidrow; Hyatt; Bochy; Lefebvre; heck, Durham, Roberts, and Aurilia will almost surely be back, even though they are expensive and useless. The farm system is so barren that Vizquel and Feliz, who were among the worst regulars in baseball this year, are likely to be re-signed.

The Giants&#039; operation circa September 2007 reminds me of the Bush administration following the November 2006 elections. Confronted with a repudiation of his policy, Bush announced that he had &quot;received the message loud and clear&quot; from the electorate -- but then he continued to do exactly what he had been doing, while everyone stood by helplessly. That  is pretty much what I expect from the Giants in 2008. Perhaps they will switch from relying on old mediocrities to playing some of the young and middle-aged mediocrities, but that is the best we can hope for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a wet blanket (he said, being a wet blanket), but I&#8217;m truly puzzled by those of you who argue that &#8220;Sabean now realizes his approach hasn&#8217;t worked, so we can expect something new and better next year.&#8221; Perhaps you are the same folks who believed that Pedro Feliz would morph into Albert Pujols when he announced back on Spring Training that he was &#8220;working on taking the ball to right field.&#8221; The game is too hard for someone to announce &#8220;I realize I&#8217;ve been a bad GM, but, good news!, now I&#8217;ve decided to be a good GM.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sabean has been operating like this for 10 years. The entire cast that brought you 2005-2007 is back for 2008: Sabean; Tidrow; Hyatt; Bochy; Lefebvre; heck, Durham, Roberts, and Aurilia will almost surely be back, even though they are expensive and useless. The farm system is so barren that Vizquel and Feliz, who were among the worst regulars in baseball this year, are likely to be re-signed.</p>
<p>The Giants&#8217; operation circa September 2007 reminds me of the Bush administration following the November 2006 elections. Confronted with a repudiation of his policy, Bush announced that he had &#8220;received the message loud and clear&#8221; from the electorate &#8212; but then he continued to do exactly what he had been doing, while everyone stood by helplessly. That  is pretty much what I expect from the Giants in 2008. Perhaps they will switch from relying on old mediocrities to playing some of the young and middle-aged mediocrities, but that is the best we can hope for.</p>
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		<title>By: bbstucco</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/09/11/a-rod-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1808</link>
		<dc:creator>bbstucco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It comes down to this for me.

It ain&#039;t my money. If Sabes, McGowan, and everyone can gedt it done. Grab A-Rod. Don&#039;t pretend for an instant that we would be dramatically better with him on board. Don&#039;t pretend for an instant that we&#039;d all be pretty excited to see A-Rod in a Giants uniform.

Also, personally, don&#039;t think for an instant that A-Rod will leave New York. Sad, but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It comes down to this for me.</p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t my money. If Sabes, McGowan, and everyone can gedt it done. Grab A-Rod. Don&#8217;t pretend for an instant that we would be dramatically better with him on board. Don&#8217;t pretend for an instant that we&#8217;d all be pretty excited to see A-Rod in a Giants uniform.</p>
<p>Also, personally, don&#8217;t think for an instant that A-Rod will leave New York. Sad, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/09/11/a-rod-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1806</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m biased because after growing up in the Bay Area, I now live in North Carolina and wouldn&#039;t have to endure the rebuilding process up-close, wouldn&#039;t have to decide whether I was going to keep my tickets while the Giants trotted a 95-loss team out there and everyone waited to see if the prospects panned out in &#039;11.  

But after having my heart broken in &#039;87 and &#039;89, enduring the 103-win second place finish in &#039;93, being shocked and frustrated by the quick playoff ousters of &#039;97, &#039;00 and &#039;03 and of course surviving the ultimate horrow -- Game Six in &#039;02 -- all I care about is seeing the Giants win a World Series.  Seeing them be competitive for a playoff spot isn&#039;t enough.  Sure, it would be an improvement over the last three years, but to me the job of any owner and GM in any professional sport must always be to ask themselves whether what they are doing is contributing to the goal of winning a championship. 

Given the last six years of Giants history and the track record of how Sabean and Magowan have chosen to build their single-superstar teams, I don&#039;t believe signing A Rod to a $30 million-plus contract would move the Giants measurably closer to that goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m biased because after growing up in the Bay Area, I now live in North Carolina and wouldn&#8217;t have to endure the rebuilding process up-close, wouldn&#8217;t have to decide whether I was going to keep my tickets while the Giants trotted a 95-loss team out there and everyone waited to see if the prospects panned out in &#8217;11.  </p>
<p>But after having my heart broken in &#8217;87 and &#8217;89, enduring the 103-win second place finish in &#8217;93, being shocked and frustrated by the quick playoff ousters of &#8217;97, &#8217;00 and &#8217;03 and of course surviving the ultimate horrow &#8212; Game Six in &#8217;02 &#8212; all I care about is seeing the Giants win a World Series.  Seeing them be competitive for a playoff spot isn&#8217;t enough.  Sure, it would be an improvement over the last three years, but to me the job of any owner and GM in any professional sport must always be to ask themselves whether what they are doing is contributing to the goal of winning a championship. </p>
<p>Given the last six years of Giants history and the track record of how Sabean and Magowan have chosen to build their single-superstar teams, I don&#8217;t believe signing A Rod to a $30 million-plus contract would move the Giants measurably closer to that goal.</p>
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		<title>By: gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frak A-rod. Nuff said.</description>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d do it in a heartbeat, even for $35 million a year.  This franchise is constructed and has been constructed to allow for a once-in-a-lifetime player to make a difference.  A-Rod in 2008 would be Bonds in 1998 and beyond.  I don&#039;t think that he&#039;d likely do it, but I wouldn&#039;t speak to knowing what&#039;s going through A-Rod&#039;s mind.  As a human being and a baseball nut, I &#039;d love to see him leave NYC with a press conference to remember:  you boo me and treat me like crap, why would I want to stay here?  Who knows, maybe Barry would even take a pay-cut to bring him and nurse his heir apparant into our mix.  The Giants are a mess, sure, but I&#039;d suspect that most players actually do enjoy playing to fans who appreciate them in cities with a baseball tradition...SF has both in spades.

Again, I&#039;m not predicting that he&#039;s coming.  But, I don&#039;t understand those who think that he shouldn&#039;t come.  The Giants have the money to spend on him.  The matter is IF they&#039;re willing to pull the trigger.    I think that Zito gives us an indication that they ARE willing to pull the trigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d do it in a heartbeat, even for $35 million a year.  This franchise is constructed and has been constructed to allow for a once-in-a-lifetime player to make a difference.  A-Rod in 2008 would be Bonds in 1998 and beyond.  I don&#8217;t think that he&#8217;d likely do it, but I wouldn&#8217;t speak to knowing what&#8217;s going through A-Rod&#8217;s mind.  As a human being and a baseball nut, I &#8216;d love to see him leave NYC with a press conference to remember:  you boo me and treat me like crap, why would I want to stay here?  Who knows, maybe Barry would even take a pay-cut to bring him and nurse his heir apparant into our mix.  The Giants are a mess, sure, but I&#8217;d suspect that most players actually do enjoy playing to fans who appreciate them in cities with a baseball tradition&#8230;SF has both in spades.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not predicting that he&#8217;s coming.  But, I don&#8217;t understand those who think that he shouldn&#8217;t come.  The Giants have the money to spend on him.  The matter is IF they&#8217;re willing to pull the trigger.    I think that Zito gives us an indication that they ARE willing to pull the trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes2d</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobbes2d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say longer then that. This is absolutely cursed when it comes to developing any decent positional players, let alone young star players. Its been 20 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say longer then that. This is absolutely cursed when it comes to developing any decent positional players, let alone young star players. Its been 20 years!</p>
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		<title>By: steveb</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonds for another year with A-Rod would be an awesome pairing. Magowan would be thrilled by the fan draw of the home run king and future king batting back to back. I believe having these two big (huge?) bats would have a ripple effect of raising averages up and down the lineup, even if the other seven are youngsters. 

The risk is that in two years, the team will be back to the single-superstar and 8 supporting players, which could easily lead right back to an imbalance like this year (although it doesn&#039;t always not work).

I think A-Rod is worth it. His presence would raise the probability of other players fulfilling their upside potential, which would make their contracts appear much more reasonable and open the door for a playoff appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonds for another year with A-Rod would be an awesome pairing. Magowan would be thrilled by the fan draw of the home run king and future king batting back to back. I believe having these two big (huge?) bats would have a ripple effect of raising averages up and down the lineup, even if the other seven are youngsters. </p>
<p>The risk is that in two years, the team will be back to the single-superstar and 8 supporting players, which could easily lead right back to an imbalance like this year (although it doesn&#8217;t always not work).</p>
<p>I think A-Rod is worth it. His presence would raise the probability of other players fulfilling their upside potential, which would make their contracts appear much more reasonable and open the door for a playoff appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Four years. There is NOTHING in the farm system that looks promising right now. It&#039;s not like the Giants are rebuilding, it&#039;s like they&#039;ll get around to starting the rebuilding process in a year or two. In the mean time if some of the young pitchers get hurt, this team is definitely capable of losing 100 games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four years. There is NOTHING in the farm system that looks promising right now. It&#8217;s not like the Giants are rebuilding, it&#8217;s like they&#8217;ll get around to starting the rebuilding process in a year or two. In the mean time if some of the young pitchers get hurt, this team is definitely capable of losing 100 games.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
		<link>http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2007/09/11/a-rod-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1774</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t do it.  Building the team around a talent like A Rod would only encourage Sabean to continue on the path of the last five years of using surplus parts (or worse) to build around a single superstar.  If Bonds&#039; contract has become a handy excuse for not spending more on the &quot;supporting cast,&quot; what would the combination of A Rod and Zito do to the payroll for the rest of the team?  Not to mention the risk that A Rod would be sufficiently productive to lift the team back to mediocrity and mask the ongoing travesty that is the farm system.

If one took an approach of starting with rebuilding the farm system, then making strategic free agent signings to supplement the (theoretically positive) results of that effort as they reached the bigs, how long do people think it would take the Giants to be back in contention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t do it.  Building the team around a talent like A Rod would only encourage Sabean to continue on the path of the last five years of using surplus parts (or worse) to build around a single superstar.  If Bonds&#8217; contract has become a handy excuse for not spending more on the &#8220;supporting cast,&#8221; what would the combination of A Rod and Zito do to the payroll for the rest of the team?  Not to mention the risk that A Rod would be sufficiently productive to lift the team back to mediocrity and mask the ongoing travesty that is the farm system.</p>
<p>If one took an approach of starting with rebuilding the farm system, then making strategic free agent signings to supplement the (theoretically positive) results of that effort as they reached the bigs, how long do people think it would take the Giants to be back in contention?</p>
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